Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

fellowx

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When I first got the boat the radio worked. I took off the battery for winter. Now I have no clue what wires goes where. I hooked up the main 2 cables. The motor starts, the navigation lights work and the horn works but the radio doesn't turn on.

I don't know what wires these are for. There's a red cable with a fuse box on the connector end, 2 small red wires with metal teeth clamps, another black cable which looks like a small ground cable (has a hole at the end to connect to the battery pole).

Can anyone explain to me what the cales are for? Everything else works right now. I can't imagine all those wires are for the radio?
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

people do wierd things with boat wiring.
 

Randy169

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

Provide some pics and let's see what we can do.
 

Pierutrus

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

AND, wellcome to Iboats.
 

pistol37

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

Usually any wire with a fuse on it should go to the positive pole of a battery. But usually those red wires would too, and the black wires would be grounds. Usually. I have actually seen people rewire their boats with all one color wire. If you own a mulitmeter, you can put one meter end on one of your "mystery" wires and probe wires @ your switches and what not searching for continuity. It is also a good practice to, when disconnecting batteries for whatever reason, cable tie them and perhaps even lable them as to their respectable locations.
 

wtwe2step

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

One of those wires could be the ground for the gas tank....... Don't mess that one up....
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

As more accessories are added to the boat, that means more wires going to the battery. In most cases there should be a fuse block to handle the extra accessories, but most of the time people just run the wires straight to the battery with an inline fuse.

On the back of your radio, there should be an inline fuse as well. To make sure that you have the polarity right, I would undo the fuse on the back of the radio. Use a test light first to see if you have power. Put the wire with the alligator clip on a ground (usually black wires are used as mentioned). Use the probe end of the test light on the red wire going into the inline fuse. If you have power, the problem is eith the fuse is blown or the radio is bad. If you don't have power, then see if there is any remaining wires that are still unhooked at the battery.

If you have no idea of what your doing, find a friend that does know. Nothing is worse than having a fire onboard while out on the water.
 

fellowx

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

Here are the pictures of my setup.. It's a basic aluminum fishing boat. The battery to the Left is the main cranking battery with the wires connected. All the boat power is on with that battery. The battery to the left is connected as well, with blacks to neg and red to pos., but i really don't know what those wires are for either. Because when I disconnect those wires, the boat still operates fine.


DSCF1828.JPG is of the Right battery which I think is the accessory battery.

DSCF1829.JPG is the main cranking battery. you can see I have 2 positives hooked up. The cable with the fuse box is hooked up with the main motor battery cable. Do you think it's safe, the way I have it hooked up. Don't know what that wire w/fuse really is.

DSCF1830.JPG is the wires that had no place to hook up. I finally just hooked the black cable to the negetive battery post. It must be ground for something.

Please Help!
 

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180shabah

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

It is time to stop take a deep breath and stop assuming things. In a perfect world black would be negative and red would be positive. DO NOT assume this is the case until you prove it.

After seeing alligator clips and what looks like an auto-resetting circuit breaker I wouldn't trust any of the wiring on that boat to be correct.

You need to identify exactly what each wire is for and where it goes. Lable it. THEN hook it up properly.
 

fellowx

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

Thanks 180. what are alligator clips usually for?
 

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

Aligator clips are temporary or test conenctions that get connected and disconnected very often.
 

PondTunes

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Re: Battery help:Why are there so many cables?

You would best be served tracing out where those wires go and putting labels on them as suggested... Since it has a crimp on connector with yellow insulation the black wire could be anything...

That is a quite heavy gauge wire for a radio memory wire imo but people wire things in strange ways! with whatever color is handy!

I get more calls in the spring when people put their batteries back in their boats needing help because their radio won't work. Most of the time it ends up being a inline fuse or circuit breaker.

*Warning* Don't randomly check wires for continuity, you should turn off/disconnect the battery before checking continuity otherwise you may damage your meter.

First lets see if the radio is grounded:
Grab your trusty multimeter and set it to 1x Ohms (the greek omega symbol)
Put one end of the probe on a known ground (such as a buss bar or ground distribution panel, or run a long lead back to the ground on the battery)
Then check the black wire on your radio.. The meter should read ZERO indicating a closed circuit, this means your ground is OK.

If it doesn't read zero the radio isn't grounded.

Then change your meter to DC Voltage and see if you have any power on the yellow wire (normally the memory wire) turn the radio switch on if so equipped and check again. (Some people wire them so they don't retain the station memory.) While the switch is on check the red wire, it should show 12+ volts.

If you have ground and there is 12vdc power on both yellow & red check to see if there is a fuse in the back of the radio, if this fuse is blown replace it if not your radio is the problem.

If the yellow wire has no voltage then the wire that keeps its memory is no longer connected or has a blown fuse. Look first for fuses & circuit breakers then lets move on to the wires in question that aren't attached to your battery:

Starting with the black wire with the yellow connector that isn't connected to the battery set your meter to DC Voltage then touch the red probe to the connector and the black probe to ground on the battery. It should read zero, if not this wire has voltage on it and shouldn't be connected here anyways.

Then move the black probe to the positive terminal of the battery again it should read zero, if it reads -12volts then the wire in question is grounded.

Now we should have deduced that the wire in question isn't connected to anything lets set our meter back to 1x ohms.. Connect a long wire to the ring terminal and go back to the back of the radio... Touch one probe to the yellow wire and the other to the wire you just extended, if it reads Zero then you have found the end of the yellow wire. You should then label it as radio memory, or wrap the end of the wire in RED tape to prevent future problems.

You can repeat this process for the red wires with alligator clips but from the picture they almost look like they are nothing but test leads!! Are you sure the red wires with the clips are actually connected to anything?? If not be sure to save them because they will come in real handy next time you need to trace a wire!
 
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