Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

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Don S

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

Can you send me a .pdf copy of that service bulletin muc ? Please!!!
 

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K&W Copper Coat.
That's good stuff there.. Use to stick it on everything we didn't want to leak

Use some spray can gasket remover.. Will leave the surface looking perfect, very easy, cheap and fast.. I found some paint remover in a spray can at the part store I think is even better.. It is very fast and will burn your skin like the dickens.. Spray some on and peel with a razor.. Sometimes it will come all in one piece.... I wouldn't use a wire wheel to clean off gaskets on anything cast iron or aluminum.. That's why they made gasket remover
 

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

I just cleaned up mine yesterday.

I did remove both the manifolds and risers. It makes the cleanup easier since after all, you want to extract all of the debris from the exhaust passage.
Here's what I did:

-) On the risers:
- Scrape off AS MUCH of the original gasket as you can with a hard non-marring surface. I borrowed / destroyed some of my son's LEGO blocks since they are hard enough to get the gasket off, but they won't scratch the aluminum surface
- use a sanding block (buy a decent one, like 3M ($3) since it is hard rubber that gives a little bit, not wood that will be flat, but eat through your sanding paper. Sand the surface until it feels very smooth to the touch. Volvo recommends a maximum surface variation of 0.1mm, which in most cases you can feel. I had some spots left that were not looking silver like the metal, but were black. Most of them were in a pattern that looked like the original head. I could not feel a surface difference on them.

-) On the manifolds:
- Do the same thing as described above for the riser mating surface
- For the engine side of the manifolds, I did this (they are not as sensitive to flatness as the risers, but you don't want exhaust gasses in your engine compartment either):
Scrape off the gasket from the manifold (most of it was sticking to the engine side in my case anyway). I used a chisel and a rubber hammer with care so I wouldn't mark it too much.
I used a sharp knife to "peel off" the gasket from the engine side as much as I could.
After that, I used the same chisel + rubber hammer with great care to get most of the gasket off.
I finally sanded the surfaces with the 3M sanding block making sure that I got most of the gasket off (use your finger to feel how smooth it is)
BTW: I found that the gasket stickiness and general rust on screws/manifold was a lot more on the starboard side than on the port side.

VERY IMPORTANT: Make sure you use a vacuum in all of your exhaust passages to make sure you get all of the dirt out that you just sanded off!!!
Also, if you do this, don't even think of putting the manifolds and risers together offsite and putting the combo on inside the boat. You'll be teaching yourself a whole new set of cusswords. Put them on one by one. Just make sure you're careful puttng the risers on the manifolds with the new OEM gaskets, and you'll be fine.....

A few more notes:
-) After cleaning my risers, I washed them out with brake cleaner and let them dry
-) Make sure you clean the bolt threads on your manifolds to make sure there is no debris in them
-) Make sure you try your srews to go inside the manifolds to make sure the threads are fine (on both sides), if not, clean the inside threads with a cotton swab+paper towel wrapped around it. You want to do this to make sure that the torque specs you read when torquing the bolts are what the bolt is experiencing from torquing down, not from trying to get through the rust.
-) Torque your bolts as Volvo prescribes!!!
 

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

Volvo changed how they want these gaskets installed in April 2010.
They came out with service bulletin 25-1-16
They now want a coat of heat resistant copper based gasket compound on the mating surfaces of both the manifold and riser. They even go so far as to recommend a couple of brands.

So we now own a bottle of K&W Copper Coat.

Jeepers. I ask a "simple" question and I get 21 responses? All different? This site cracks me up.

Anywho...still haven't found time to finish the job, but I did buy some spray-on gasket cleaner. Above information regarding a Volvo bulletin update REALLY interests me. If I need to put some goop on these surfaces I'd like to know for sure, as my instructions say NO GOOP...but maybe I have older instructions since I bought the kit last summer.

Other copper seal brands on Volvo's list please? A Permatex alternative would be nice since it's so widely available. Or do I need to try to find myself this K & W stuff before assembling?? Please be more specific as I see this K & W stuff comes 2 ways:

1. In a 9 oz aerosol spray can
and
2. A liquid dauber can...

So which of these 2 products (and which others) does Volvo recommend?

Tempted to just put it together dry per my current Volvo instructions, but always interested in the latest info from Volvo so I'll wait a bit and see if someone can obtain a copy of this bulletin and confim it's true. Any other changes in that new bulletin? Torque specs, etc??

Thanks again.
 

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

Here ya go Don...

Sweet dung monkeys!! As a dummy DIY'er I can't believe actually stumbled across a copy of the Volvo bulletin myself without any help from Volvo dealer or Iboats! Here's a linkie for you, and to help others:
http://www.marinemechanic.com/volvo/volvo/2010/25-1-16_A[1]risergasket.pdf

Copper sealant it is! And a Permatex alternative is also suggested as I had hoped. And they say aerosol and brush-on are both OK, so that answers my follow-up question.

BACK to the auto parts store I shall go!

Thanks for the heads-up on the update Mr MUC! I shall now assemble WITH APPROPRIATE GOOP on the surface per Volvo's NEW instructions....
 

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

DonS or anybody...just curious because I've never seen them, how do the Volvo gaskets differ from the Mercruiser gaskets with the graphite-like coating?
 

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

Wow am I glad I stumbled across that website. Here's the home page.
http://www.marinemechanic.com/Workhorse/index.htm
Not super user-friendly, but once you get in there it is LOADED with tech bulletins, useful tips, etc...

Not to take anything away from iboats, as this is a good forum and I like it. But at least that particular site isn't wide-open for anyone in the general public to repeatedly post flat-out incorrect answers to questions that are asked...much like what happened on this exact thread I started...
 

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

buy a roll lock abraseive disc sander (medium grade )/90 degree air drive high speed tool.this will remove gasket and not harm surface "unless you sit on it " Auto store or rent from auto parts store !
 

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

The specs are based on an MLS (multi-layer steel) gasket. The gasket is made of several thin layers of steel. There is no graphite or any other coating on them. It is made of steel, and nothing else. That is why the surface has to be so precise.
 

Don S

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Re: Best way to remove gasket material from riser/manifold joint 99 Volvo 5.0 GL

The specs are based on an MLS (multi-layer steel) gasket

Not exactly. It is a single thin layer of metal with a hard coating similar to teflon. it will also cut you like a razor blade.
Volvo does use some MLS gaskets, such as the gasket between the manifold and turbo on some diesel engines. The are also close to 1/8" thick.
 
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