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[cribber]

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If you go the plasma route you won't go wrong with the Panasonic Viera series which has excellent picture quality and is rated consistently towards the top. If you decide on LCD LG LED series provides excellent color and black levels. Stick to 1080p resolution which gets you best picture quality and allows you to take advantage of Blue-Ray DVD quality. Pick your technology and get the best bang for your $1500 price range for the screen size you want. That seems to be the sweet spot for pricing and shop around.

 

[dolluper]

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Hey JB ifin your feeling handy and have some free time you might want to clean the optical block yourself...there is a guy on fleabay that provides that service....or yourself destructions below check it out
http://sites.google.com/site/sonylcdrptvproblems/sonykdf-55wf655opticalblockreplacement

 

[gibletts]

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I bought a large Samsung plasma TV a year or two ago and cant fault it. I also bought a bracket and mounted it on the wall which Im glad I did as it takes up a bit of space. We have a free e-waste collection service every now and then which is handy to dispose of old teles and the like

 

[Fleetwin]

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For $1.5 Large you can by a super WOW TV. Landfill is that old tv's next destination.
I just bought a 50" and soon decided that there wasn"t much worth watching. So, there it sits.
When I DO turn it on, it's great. Other than that-DARK! Maybe I should hang a picture over it?

 

[dolluper]

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JB here's an interesting video....it's for blue spots on screen ,,,it's similar for other colour problem hazing
polarizer+ lcd panel replacement in light engine {opitcal block} depending on model tristate has them 200 -or + bones
check here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgZz9peR-ro

 

[Pony]

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This is pretty much a non issue. JB's current TV is 60Hz so if he is fine with that, he will be fine with a 120Hz LCD update rate. I have 2 LCD TVs. One is 60Hz like his and the other is 120Hz. All I watch on my TV is sports and there is no noticeable difference. You will get more artifacts from the compression of the satellite TV or cable signal than you would ever get from the TV refresh rate.

This is somewhat of a personal preference. Some people just simply cannot see the difference between 60hz and 120hz.....to others it is a HUGE difference. Personally I could never buy a 60hz set....the motion blur during football drives me nuts. I can see it clear as day. The human eye will struggle to see much difference past that 120hz though. 240hz on the new LEDs is mainly for the 3D viewing.

 

[bruceb58]

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This is somewhat of a personal preference. Some people just simply cannot see the difference between 60hz and 120hz.....to others it is a HUGE difference. Personally I could never buy a 60hz set....the motion blur during football drives me nuts. I can see it clear as day. The human eye will struggle to see much difference past that 120hz though. 240hz on the new LEDs is mainly for the 3D viewing.

Did you actually read my post? I said he would have no problem with a 120Hz update rate. I said nothing about buying a 60Hz update rate TV and I doubt you can actually find any with a 60Hz update rate anymore anyway.

My post stated that buying a plasma in preference to an LCD with a 120Hz update rate is a non-issue.

 

[dolluper]

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Seems the blue haze is a common problem in Sony droducts ,,,projectors to tv's
Tri=state modules sells the blue polarizer for 80.....lcd panel for also 80 for the tv's
link here http://www.tristatemodule.com/c-310-sony.aspx

 

[Pony]

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Did you actually read my post? I said he would have no problem with a 120Hz update rate. I said nothing about buying a 60Hz update rate TV and I doubt you can actually find any with a 60Hz update rate anymore anyway.

My post stated that buying a plasma in preference to an LCD with a 120Hz update rate is a non-issue.

Yes I did read your post, and I don't recall saying anything to dismiss it.....merely thought I was adding on to it for the most part. Actually the majority was specifically in response to "I have 2 LCD TVs. One is 60Hz like his and the other is 120Hz. All I watch on my TV is sports and there is no noticeable difference"

And you most certainly can get TVs with a 60hz refresh rate. LOTS of them. In fact most models below 40" are still 60hz......

 

[MTboatguy]

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I just spent over 4 hours comparing different TV's and I can tell you, I can tell a difference between the refresh rates and I can certainly tell the difference between plasma, LCD and LED!

Now I am more confuse than ever!

 

[bruceb58]

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The only difference between LCD and LED is the method of backlighting. An LED is an LCD with LED backlighting. If you can tell a difference in refresh rate between the two, its not because of the refresh rate, its because of the signal processing of that particular model of TV.

You also have to be looking at identical input signals. For example, if something was shot at 24 Fps you will see a huge difference between something that was shot at 30 Fps. A lot of stores that want to demonstrate a huge difference will have a demo DVD that was originally shot at 24FPS so you will get shudder and that is not the real world. Most sports are shot at 30 FPS so you won't have shudder even with a 60 Hz TV. So lets say they are demoing video shot at 24Fps. Some sets have signal processing that smooth out the shudder which will get rid of the blur but cause the "Video" affect which I personally can not stand.

The plasma vs LCD choice for me would not be the refresh rate. It is definitely not the number one issue you need to be making in your choice of TVs. If you have any ambient light coming in from windows and watch TV during the day, you almost have to get an LCD. For dark rooms or at night, you can save some money and get a plasma.


Here is a decent short article on refresh rates.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379206,00.asp

Basically, if you have a 60Hz TV and you are watching something that was shot at 30fps, you see the same frame every 2 updates. If it was a 120Hz TV you see the same frame every 4 updates. There is zero difference watching the two TVs with everything else being equal since you are watching the exact same information. Start throwing in two different manufacturers and then throw in possibly some super compressed/decompressed video signals and all bets are off when you are trying to compare stuff in a store.

The guys that sell stuff at Best Buy and other video stores tell you the sales talk but usually have little understanding of the basic concepts. These are the same guys that are going to be selling you an extended warranty which benefit the store and not you either.

 

[dolluper]

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Or an up to date one ...er almost
http://lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv/120hz-240hz-60hz.html

 

[MTboatguy]

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The plasma vs LCD choice for me would not be the refresh rate. It is definitely not the number one issue you need to be making in your choice of TVs. If you have any ambient light coming in from windows and watch TV during the day, you almost have to get an LCD. For dark rooms or at night, you can save some money and get a plasma.

Bruce,

I currently have a 42" Plasma that has allot of ambient light in my living room and have never had a problem with viewing the TV, it has large windows on either side of it, I have it mounted in the corner of the room, it has vivid colors and no jerkyness during fast action shows. Again, my Wife says the same thing, We have never had a problem with ambient light causing any problem during the day with our plasma.

 

[bruceb58]

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My GF has a plasma in a room with ambient light at her mountain home and it is a pain in the butt watching it compared to an LCD. Have to make sure all the curtains are drawn in the room. I told her she should have gotten an LCD but she didn't listen.

My LCDs show no jerkiness either.

 

[JB]

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Thanks, dolluper. That is very interesting.

I don't think I will do it, though. The Sony is fine when it works, but replacing lamps every couple of years and repairing the light engine every few years for an undisclosed cost is more than I am willing to continue when I can get a nice 55" plasma for about a grand that will not break.

I do really appreciate the input from everyone. I will let the Sony get worse until I consider it unusable, then replace it with a higher quality, reliable set.

 

[ondarvr]

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There are several differences between LCD and Plasma and depending on a few things they may make a big difference or none at all.

I can easily tell the difference in refresh rates between the two, LCDs can give me a headache sometimes, even at 240 if there is a great deal of action on the screen.

1080 can make a difference on bigger screens, but only if you're sitting fairly close, after about 9 feet your eye can?t detect the difference.

Some LCDs don?t have as big of an advantage in the anti glare situations anymore because there have been improvements in plasmas and some LCDs have gone backwards.

Viewing angle is getting better with LCD, but still nowhere close to Plasma.

You can get very low prices on 50? 720 plasmas ($500-$700) which can make huge difference in price if this type of TV fits your needs.

 

[JB]

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I think I want 1080P and no less than 120Hz.

 

[dolluper]

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Hey JB I'm curious what exactly is going on with your TV.....is it the blue dot haze or something else????I got one of those Sony's given to me and it has the blue haze,so I'm going to experiment with it.....I have an idea to use an Led lamp {less heat} than the ones used now......it seems the heat is the big issue with the Sony's ....lamps going out,polarizers distorting {blue dot haze}ultravoilet light from lamp causing some of problem also....thats why I'm going to try with an Led lamp set up...alot cheaper also 20 bones

 

[Pony]

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The guys that sell stuff at Best Buy and other video stores tell you the sales talk but usually have little understanding of the basic concepts. These are the same guys that are going to be selling you an extended warranty which benefit the store and not you either.

I have a plan on every TV I have. I have had to use them 3 times. In fact just last week I had a 26" LCD replaced because it wouldn't turn on anymore .....20 months old. Glad I didn't have to shell out the $ to outright replace it. But wait....I sell TVs at my job....so what would I know....I am just trying to decieve the customer and make them shell out extra money for a plan. BTW it isn't a warranty, its a service plan....

 

[bruceb58]

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I sell TVs at my job....so what would I know....I am just trying to decieve the customer and make them shell out extra money for a plan.

if "service plans" actually made economic sense for the consumer which means the overall gain would outweigh the cost of the plan, the companies that offered the plan would be out of business. We won't even mention the kick backs that are given the the retailers and sales people.

The most unscrupulous of the stores that offer these plans are Best Buy where there is a class action lawsuit regarding their practices in selling these "plans". Google "Best buy" "service plan" and "consumer fraud" and you will find why you don't want to purchase one there.