Blue Green Algae

t8764

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A group of my friends and I are headed to Grand Lake in Oklahoma next weekend and found out they have a blue green algae outbreak on the lake. Our main reason for this trip is to boat and swim. Would you suggest cancelling our trip or do you think it will still be all right to go? GRDA suggests no bodily contact with the water, but I've talked to others that say the lake was packed this past weekend for 4th of July. Any suggestions would help.

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haulnazz15

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Re: Blue Green Algae

There have been no reports of any sickness as a result of the BGA at Grand Lake so far. The only reason it was even made a major issue is because it was a bit abnormal for this lake, and a state Senator had a respiratory infection that they decided to link to him swimming in Grand the day before. Attendance was cetainly down on the 4th weekend, but there were certainly tons of people out playing and swimming. The GRDA recommendation was merely an attempt to cover their butts against lawsuits, not an emergency advisory. Have fun, go play, if you see any green slime, don't swim in it. Nuff said.
 

t8764

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Re: Blue Green Algae

Thanks! That's kind of what we thought GRDA was doing. Just never heard of BGA where we are from in Kansas.
 

ryanr623

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Re: Blue Green Algae

we get that stuff on lake erie here. Be careful, people take it very serious around here. No one that I know go out when there's blue green algae out on the lake. It is after all, cyanobacteria.

Can blue-green algae make me sick?

Yes, it is possible for blue-green algae to cause illness. Blue-green algae are capable of producing several different toxins. People may be exposed to these toxins through contact with the skin (e.g., when swimming), through inhalation (e.g., when motor boating or water skiing), or by swallowing contaminated water. Types of toxins and potential health effects include the following:

Dermatotoxins and Gastrointestinal Toxins?These toxins affect the skin and mucous membranes, and can cause allergy-type reactions such as rashes, eye/nose/throat irritation, and asthma, as well as headaches, fever, and gastroenteritis (nausea, stomach cramps, vomiting, diarrhea). Examples include lyngbyatoxin and lipopolysaccharide endotoxins.

Hepatotoxins?These toxins affect the liver and other internal organs, and can cause gastroenteritis, tissue damage, muscle weakness, paralysis, and respiratory failure (with acute exposure), tumors, and possibly liver cancer (with long-term, chronic exposure). Examples include microcystins and nodularins.

Cytotoxins?These toxins also affect the liver and other organs (though through a different mode of action than hepatotoxins) and can cause malaise, headache, anorexia, vomiting, chromosome loss, DNA strand breakage, and damage to organs. An example is cylindrospermopsin.

Neurotoxins?These toxins affect the central nervous system and can cause seizures, paralysis, respiratory failure or cardiac arrest. Examples include anatoxin-a and saxitoxin. (Saxitoxin is the same toxin associated with red tide and paralytic shellfish poisoning in marine systems).
 

haulnazz15

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Re: Blue Green Algae

Again, don't swim in an area that looks like green pea soup and you'll be fine. BGA is ALWAYS present in the waters, it's just blooming at an much higher level than usually seen. Grand is a big lake, there's plenty of area to play/swim. Besides, no one wants to swim in the shallow water where the BGA propagates. Any area less than 5-6ft deep is bathwater temp right now!

I woulnd't be ingesting the water from ANY lake directly, so ingestion shouldn't an issue for most.
 

Brewman61

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Re: Blue Green Algae

I'd make sure to keep your dogs out of the water, we've had BGA blooms be fatal to them. It's been a few years since the last one, but I do recall at least one dog being affected.
 

haulnazz15

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I'd make sure to keep your dogs out of the water, we've had BGA blooms be fatal to them. It's been a few years since the last one, but I do recall at least one dog being affected.

Agreed. Children and small animals should be kept out of the water as they are more susceptible to the algae bloom.
 

DuckHunterJon

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Re: Blue Green Algae

Around here, when it flares up, they have a swimming ban. I wouldn't chance it.
 

smokeonthewater

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It's kind of like drunk driving..... the danger is very real and yet there are people who do it, there are people that will tell you it's fine, there are people get away with it, and there are people who don't get away with it....... difference is tho you won't take out a car load of innocent people if you try it.... I personally would make other plans, but if you DO go for it at least explain the danger to all of your guests and friends and let them decide for themselves....
 

ryanr623

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Around here, when it flares up, they have a swimming ban. I wouldn't chance it.

It's kind of like drunk driving..... the danger is very real and yet there are people who do it, there are people that will tell you it's fine, there are people get away with it, and there are people who don't get away with it....... difference is tho you won't take out a car load of innocent people if you try it.... I personally would make other plans, but if you DO go for it at least explain the danger to all of your guests and friends and let them decide for themselves....

Agree totally here. Its not always visible either. Also, theres no way to predict which toxins and how much of the toxins the algae releases. Its based on levels of chemicals (especially phosphorous) in the water. I never chance it.
 

soggy_feet

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Re: Blue Green Algae

Sounds like the thing to do is to put out a 'scare' the week before you head out, then you can have the lake to yourself!
 
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