Boat accident

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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I forgot to mention that where I boat, the patrol knows me very well. Several times a day (when I'm there) I will report unsafe boating and drinking to him. I must say I don't feel bad about being a lake snitch. After all my wife, kids, and grandkids enjoy that lake also with many other families. I do back up what I see with my video camera, and the tapes have been used in court for evidence. Treat me right, and I'll treat you right with respect also.

 

[b.gagnon]

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SS MAYFLOAT<br />(Don’t get me wrong I am all for safe boating but)<br />I don’t know your story, but if you are turning people in at just the sight of alcohol, then you should move to china so you can live with the communists. <br />I am all for… turning someone in for being out of control, but it seems to me you are a little out of control. I very rarely have a drink when on the water, and sure as **** have never gotten drunk out there, but on more than a regular basis you will see people drinking on my boat, and the idea of you sending the cops after me makes me very angry!!!! It makes me sick to think there is someone like you out there with nothing better to do, then to ruin the day for many boaters. There are many responsible people out there that are just trying to have a good time, and if they are not bothering you then leave them alone and mind your own business. And as far as the video thing goes, you have no right .. If I ever saw you out there doing this to innocent people I would pull up next to you jump in, and express my feelings !!! (no matter how old you are). Listen to what you said in your post (I know people that drink 1 or 2 beers and they are wasted and can't control themselves. Then I know people that can drink a 6 or 12 pack and drive better than the ones that have problems driving sober? We are different and the thinking and logic process makes us who we are.) This proves that everyone is different and you have no right being the judge of there character. I am sorry if this post seems too angry but there are not many places that I feel free anymore and the water seems like the one thing I have left, the idea of someone taking that away from me sends chills down my spine. If these people are not out of control then let them be, and if they are then turn them in because I also believe there is no place for stupidity on the water. And leave your camera at home because it’s not your job or place to be using it toward these people. The only way your tapes should see court is if someone died.<br />

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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b.gagnon, Sorry for the way you took it. I don't scout out and pick on everyone. What I video is the obvious unsafe idiots that create dangerous situations. I too drink my share of beer, but I don't drink to the excess of being a problem or accident. I will list a few incidents that I have reported and video taped.<br />1. Man staggering on the dock and releiving himself. This was really no big deal except that it was in a new boat that he pi$$ed all over. He had no business on the dock since it is a private dock. Owner of the boat was greatful since I recorded it. He was able to have the interior boat cleaned and paid for by the drunk. If it wasn't recorded, do you think the drunk would of had to pay for it? Don't think so.<br />2. Recorded a pwc and a boat pulling a tube. It is just that the pwc operator would pull upbeside the boat (while crusing at about 30) get a beer from the boat, then he would slow down and cruise beside the tuber, then they would pass the beer back and forth until it was empty. The pwc then tossed the empty can in the water, and then made the cycle again. Do you think that this is something that should have been left alone?<br />3. Then there was the perverted drunk that enjoyed letting it all hang outin front of 10 girls ranging in age from 10 to 15.<br />4. Observed four 18 year olds with beer (in Ohio drinking age is 21) at the shore with their pwc's. I didn't spy on them until they themselves started being obnoxious and beligerent. At first they were abiding by the rules of the lake. They hadn't ate nothing since noon, now it is late evening and starting to get dark. Instead of following the no wake rule, they just started hauling a$$ right from the shore. I wasn't going to do anything to them, but when I was trying to cook my evening supper aboard, I couldn't because the boat was rocking too bad. So I had no choice but to tape their activities. Dark and crusing around on a pwc where there is usually a couple of dozen boats out is unsafe by all means.<br /><br />Don't think I spy and go after everybody. I know that the lake is a place to have fun and enjoy life at its finest. I let people do what they want until it becomes unsafe or damaging to property. The patrol just likes it when he can show the judge exactly what these people do instead of going by statements or on his own word.<br /><br />The lake I boat at had an accident several years ago involving a 28' boat going at excessive speed right at dusk. He dead centered a 16' trihull killing 4 on board. The 28' was going west right into the sun, he just didn't see the trihull. Non the less at who's fault it was, the driver of the big boat was found guilty of involuntary man slaughter.<br /><br />On the lake now I would say that the majority of us respect the lake and users. It is that small percentage that can make it dangerous to the rest of us.<br /><br />Again, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was big brother in the sky trying to bust everything that is illegal. Sorry.....

 

[naughtybynature]

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pass the popcorn.... heheheh very, very good thread. i love to see the passion from everyone. god i love this world and the water covering it. 100 miles an hour... hair straight back!<br />

<br /><br />meet "naughty by nature"

 

[Knoxes]

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SS Mayfloat - "all men were CREATED equal" is true. What happens after that is an entirely different story . Some have good parenting, get an education, develop a sense of responsibility, respect and decency. I've thought a lot about this thread over the past couple of days, and I'm not convinced that licensing is the answer. At the minimum, boater's safety courses should be required. A lot of these accidents seem to be bad judgement. Now I've made my share of poor judgements on the water, mostly when I was a teenager (which I think inherently means I lacked respect). But I also grew up with a father that took me out on the water and taught me respect for others and for the sea. I can't (my brain won't allow it) disregard the safety of my passengers or other boaters. This should always be in the forefront of my mind. And my personal interests (which may involve risk taking) should follow (at a safe distance). Maybe the governing bodies should require all boaters to participate in this forum .

 

[Sea Mitch]

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Connecticut requires a boating license. All captains are required to have it. To get it, you take an 8 hour course with the USPS or Coast Guard which, I have to tell ya, was great. It taught all the basics, how to dock in wind, rules of the road, basic knots, safety, regulations, etc. I thought all states had this. They should... it's a no brainer. You get it once and it's good forever.

 

[silverking]

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Hi!!,<br />Just thinkin´ about that bounch of people who dont care about goin´ at high speed in crowded areas or worst : in narrow channels that are main ways..........<br />That people dont love themselves; they dont mind about their family or loved ones, they just want go faster to disaster.<br />That people people makes our hobbie,sport or relax really dangerous to us and our people, we are adults and have the right to stop or to point to a person who is putting our lives into a risk.<br />(Anyways I always go boating with my .357 Desert Eagle Magnum Pistol, je,je,je).

 

[naughtybynature]

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yo silverking! chill out dude. boating is for everyone remember? some go slow, some go fast. morons go slow, morons go fast. that is life. just because i go fast dosn't make me a target for your bullet. keep your mind open folks and realize that for every guy who likes to go slow to relax (you).... there is a guy who likes to go fast to relax (me). there is a place for everyone out there just don't include me with the bad apples... i love my family. oh ya, if you ever point a gun at me i'll run you over going at a very hi rate of speed! you americans are so funny with your guns and ****. hehehe chill out and relax. keep on boatin dude.

 

[SCO]

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Naughty,<br /><br />Silverking said speeding in a crowded area, narrow channel etc. He makes a good point and it isnt about personal preference(slow vs fast). If you want to go fast, do it where others are not going to find themselves endangered by you, like on a race course I submit if you like to drive at 70 to 100. People do screw up, you can count on it, and that includes every boater. When you are going fast, things happen fast, people misjudge speeds, and there is a lot of energy involved that increases exponentially with speed. You progressively lose the ability to stop, avoid and react so you become inherently more and more dangerous as you increase your speed. People get viceral about this because the speeders endanger their lives. I'd rather be on a lake with Silverking and his .357 any day. I'll bet most consistent speeders have been scared or surprized by boats or people or objects that seem to have just popped up out of nowhere. I think it's much more dangerous to speed in a boat vs a car. Other boats can be going any direction, are sometimes hard to see, in and out of wave troughs and many times unaware of you the speeders presence because you can be approaching them from any direction. Also, while driving, you are diverting concentration to waves etc. as are all boaters. I hope you reevaluate your position on this issue.

 

[naughtybynature]

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sco i couldn't agree with you more! i was just ribbin you 'mericans about your guns hehehe. i only "speed" when and where it is "safe". i have made the point before that there is alot going on in a boat and it is stupid to simply jump in and mash the throttle. i am just saying there is a time and place for speed and i'm encouraging everyone to use their best judgment before they do so... 'cause if they don't people like me (and there are a lot of them) will lose their right to speed (through restrictions) and that my folks is just sad. period.

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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Hi there Naughty,<br /> Awhile back when I was learning the nautical ropes of do's and don'ts from my dad. We planned a trip on the Ohio river. We launched on a new ramp in Little Hocking that is located on the Hocking River. The average width of the river is about 40' wide. At that time we had a 17' Glassmaster with a 120 mercruiser. Top end was about 48 with 6 on board. Not bad for the hp. While dad was WOT going around a bend we hit a submerged log. Not anyone had seen this. We hit and we hit it hard. Its not like in a car slamming on your brakes and sliding severl hundred yards, it was 48mph to a dead stop. Everyone was packed up against the windshied. If everyone was naked you would of thought it was a orgy. After everyone regained their senses, we all was quiet listening for water rushing in. Dad checked the bilge and it was dry as a bone. He had to start the engine because it stopped when we hit the log. Went on down the river, did some skiing. Going back up the river, dad stayed to the opposite side of the river to avoid hitting that log again. Didn't work, we hit the dang on thing again. He was going alot slower so it wasn't as bad. <br /><br />So while your talking about 70 to 100 mph, I think about what would happen if you hit a submerged object. OOOUUUUCCCCCHHHHHH. Now if you have a jet drive, you would probably be okay. But at those speeds with a sterndrive, it will either rip out the transom or take out the outdrive. Scares me to even think about it.<br /><br />I personnally like watching guys like you hauling your buns across the water when you utilize good judgement. After all the wake from speeding boats is less than those ski boats going 20 pulling a wake board. I hate those rollers off of those guys. It makes my boat dance big time at the dock. <br /><br />Well gotta go to the lake for the weekend, the fish is calling me again....Good luck...

 

[SCO]

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Glad to hear it Naughty. I object to regulation too as a matter of habit, but what will we do if people continue to hole cruisers with cigarette boats, or in this case a bass boat. It's only going to get worse with greater boating population and technology and a lessening sense of personal responsibility and capability. Maybe we all need to adopt SS Mayfloats attitude to keep the Gov. out of it.

 

[silverking]

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Hi to everybody!!,<br />Thanks SCO and sorry Naughty if you felt that I was against you.....Is nothing personal.<br />Also I recognize and admit that I LOVE TO GO FAST, but NEVER IN CROWDED AREAS OR NARROW CHANNELS."NEVER". Also my point about my EAGLE is that many boaters like me, like to enjoy their boats alone or with their family and usually carry some sort of "personal protection" and Im not speakin´ about lifejackets.<br />I think that if somebody passed me at high speed Im not going to shoot him, but if he scared me or my family I can make the same to him.<br />If all of us respect each other no matter its speed, size, brand or color I think boating can be more enjoyable...and yes I ALSO LIKE TO GO FAST; BUT NEVER IN CROWDED AREAS OR NARROW CHANNELS...PEACE

 

[naughtybynature]

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i got shot this weekend! just kiddin. you are right on the money silverking. speeding in tight places and around blind corners is STUPID. was at my cabin this weekend and it was very crowded. didn't get over 35 all weekend. no prob. going back mid week when no one is around.... then i'm going to LET'ER RIP! yeehaaa<br />oh ya before i forget, the fishin was great this weekend.

 

[trollhole]

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Just a little curious. But why would you need a gun out on a lake. Could it be the pirates out there or maybe its just in case you spot a big catfish that has been wounded and want to put it out of it's mysery. Just a little curious about why it would be needed.

 

[wvit100]

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Hey silverking. The only reason to pull out a gun is to kill someone, you try waving it around to scare somebody and they are liable to shove that thing up your a** or call the cops and have you arrested. I don't think I ever remember seeing any sitiuation on the lake where someone needed a gun.

 

[naughtybynature]

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oops! look at what i started... hehehehe BANG! bet you can't shoot me.. i'll be going too fast.

 

[silverking]

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Well guys,<br />The reason why I usually carry a gun when I go boating is because behind the lake is the shooting field I belong, also theres a restaurant,bar and gym...OOhhh also a private club with tennis,basket,volley and soccer field, sauna,billiard,swimming pool, etc.<br />Sorry guys but I dont live in the jungle, aahh!! Also in the lake are the best Black Bass you have ever seen, catfish, gatorfish and snook!<br />In fact this Sunday morning i went to the lake and catch a 9.5lb bass!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />When I need to shoot somebody usually I do it at working time, but the most of the times they finish under arrest......

 

[dutch135]

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Another Senseless Death on the Water <br /><br />This accident happened over the weekend,,, brand new boat,, and a brand new friend to enjoy it with, and one death. The worst part is that the boat that the guy died in,, was moored. The other boat took off, still not identified, and was traveling at a high rate of speed, at 2 AM! What is wrong with people? <br /><br />

 

[trollhole]

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It's a shame<br />