broken bolts subject...again

brownies

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This explanation is followed by a question or several...<br />Ran into this a few years ago on a 70's model Johnson that had never been in salt water, and the boat was stored inside (taken care of).<br /><br />Ran into it again yesterday on a 91 Yamaha.<br />Trying to remove the powerhead and the heads snapped off of a few bolts. They were seized inside the holes. Threads were not seized.<br /><br />Started out with a real torch, heated several times. Shocked the bolts with a hammer. Heated the housing a few times, then the bolts. Cooled the "bolts" with drop of water. Rocked em back and forth by hand using "feel" to stop and start. Just typical of trying to keep from breaking a bolt that was suspected of being seized. <br />It worked on most of them, but, not on all.<br /><br />Ended up making a decision as to sacrifice the spacer between the exhaust can and the powerhead to keep from ruining the powerhead.<br /><br />I took a cutoff wheel and cut into this spacer about one inch below the powerhead. Cutting through the bolts. Figured it would be easier to pry out one inch of corrosion than 5 inches.<br /><br />This worked at the expense of that spacer, and....later the exhaust housing and the tuner.<br /><br />All of this was taken in stride and my GREATEST fear never came to be. My greatest fear was that the bolts would be seized in the threads and would break off flush with the powerhead. I would then be drilling, tapping, helicoil. The worst of which would have been drilling a hole in a stainless steel bolt.<br /><br />Anyway, all this got me to thinking....<br />Surely a person or company that rebuilds powerheads has something figured out to make this job easier. Maybe soaking the engine in some sort of chemical? Soaking it in a vibrating solution tank (much like what a jeweler uses to clean jewelry...except larger)??<br /><br />It's not so much a question about how to get bolts out for the average person. It's just that boat motors probably have an extremely high percentage of being turned into scrap due to broken bolts (cost of removal-vs-cost of replacement).<br /><br />It's more of a question of "does the rebuild industry have a better way to handle this inevitable problem"?<br /><br />Me, learned my lesson now. If I'm using it, I'll be taking it apart once every couple of years just to prevent this. Looks like my routing maintenance is a "big job" every so often.
 

boatmon345

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Re: broken bolts subject...again

Great topic.<br /><br />I had a 1992 Mercruiser piece of crap where every bolt I attempted to pull broke off.<br /><br />Move to present and I am very thrilled that not a single bolt in my 1997 Yamaha Saltwater Series powerhead had difficulty coming out over the last 2 months.<br /><br />Whatever Yamaha is doing they are doing it right and I am greatful for this. Have no idea if this is across the board regarding other manufacturers. Not sure if Yamaha started doing something different between 92 and 97.<br /><br />My 2 cents, FWIW.
 

ebsworj

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Re: broken bolts subject...again

I have several broken head bolts I'm dealing with now and haven't figured out how i'm going to them out yet. <br /><br />I'd really like some suggestions from anyone. 4 are broken in the head.
 

blouderback

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Re: broken bolts subject...again

Get an "Easyout" type of tool. You drill into the bolt, insert the easyout, and out it comes (usually).<br />
 

rodbolt

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DO NOT USE AN EASY OUT<br /> just say no.<br /> an easy out is gaurenteed to break off in the hole and you cannot drill it.<br /> I use a bullet point Tin coated drill of the corret thread tap size and drill them out.<br />ya just have to start the bit straight and hold it that way, most take longer to get access than the actual drilling/tapping.<br /> I also use a welder buddy that has a special rod to extract studs, he chages 65 a stud to remove them.
 

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Better yet, buy reverse twist drill bits (good quality of course). Start with a very small bit to get the hole to the desired depth. Gradually increase sizes. You'll find as you approach the bottom of the bolt thread the bolt sinply unscrews. Unless you drill way off center, this usually works for me. Unfortunately, reverse twist drill bits are hard to find.
 

brownies

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Re: broken bolts subject...again

Drilling a hole in a bolt is tough. Drilling a hole in a stainless steel bolt is really tough. <br /> Takes a good drill bit and lots of oil. If you are not sure of which type of bit to buy....just look at the cost. Don't buy a "kit" with many sizes to do this job. Just buy an expensive SINGLE drill bit that is about half the size of the bolt..or smaller.<br /> Then buy another just a size or two larger. <br />One to drill a hole, the second to make the hole larger. This second drilling will be easier since you already have a guide hole. IF you can find a left (reverse) drill bit for the second time, it's worth a try. Sometimes the heat from the second bit and the fact that the second bit should be getting the bolt walls pretty thin...will make it come out while drilling in reverse.<br /> Do not use an "easyout". Rather, drill the hole a third time the same size as the bolt.<br /> Find a tap or thread cleaner and run the threads. (usually going to metric on "most" outboards...be sure it's correct).<br /> From here, if you messed up somewhere or had more problems....it's time for a heli-coil.<br /><br /> The key to making all this work is to work very slow with LOTS of oil to cool the drill bits so that they will keep cutting. Without oil, a stainless bolt will fry a drill bit about the time you start drilling.<br /><br /> Quite a pain in the rump, time consuming, and....that's if it all goes GREAT. If it doesn't go like it should...it just gets worse and more expensive.<br /> Still, does anybody know if the big "rebuilders" have other methods??<br /><br /> Another alternative. Once you get your parts to where the bolts are easily accessible. Take the parts to a machine shop and beg them to give it a try. Most of these guys have done this before many times and have the tools to do it. Usually if the screw something up, you would have also.
 

bigshrimpin

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Re: broken bolts subject...again

If it's a v6 . . . I got a bucket of yamaha bolts for sale (including the powerhead bolts) and a entire mid section. <br /><br /> http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZreelQ5fadventure <br /><br />
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<br />------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Drilling through the bolt is the only way out now that the head has snapped off. Let me guess . . . You were pulling the powerhead to replace the shift shaft right??
 

ReelCs

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Re: broken bolts subject...again

To all,
I am in the middle of removing the powerheads to get to the shift shaft and steering arms on twin 1988 150 hp V6 ... and YES its a nightmare. I have broken most if not all of the ~7" powerhead bolts, broken about a quarter of the way into the bolt hole. All holes are full of aluminum oxide holding the powerheads to the adapter exhaust plate. One of the BIG problems that I noticed is not just the broken bolts but the broken studs under the front end of the powerhead pan, no way to reach them.

Any tips to make this process as pain less as possible is welcomed !

end.
 

rodbolt

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Re: broken bolts subject...again

the ones on the front are no worries.
the rest simply use a 3/8ths bullit point bit with a no spin shank, line up on the bolt just under the powerhead and drill perpendicular to the bolt,cutting the bolt.
then drive the broken studs UPWARDS.
the hole is tapered and you cannot drive them down.
 
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