Calling for help from all 21'-22' boat owners

[Danny C]

Calling on any owners of boats around the 22? size limit (bowriders). I am wondering what the actual size is on the title of different boat models.

I recently found out that the 22? limit on my current lake means that it has to say 22? 0? or less on the title to qualify. I was under the optimistic assumption that 22? anything would work. In retrospect, I think I was just being ignorant. I have been looking at Regal 2200 and Searay 220 sundeck assuming that 2200 meant 22? 0? but I may be mistaken. I think the Regal 2200 is officially 22? 2?. And to make it more confusing, I believe that the Crownline 220 EX is something like 20?6?. So now I am even more confused as to how to determine what I can and cannot have. I am wondering what is on the title? This has the potential to scrap all of my research for certain boats. The idea is to get as much boat under 22? as I can.

I would appreciate if any owners out there of boats from the 21-22? range could chime in. I realize that most will not know what the heck is on the title.

Thanks,
Dan

 

[tpenfield]

Hopefully someone from your home state (Missouri ?) will chime in . . . you can also google some images of boat titles, etc issued by Missouri. Looks like feet and inches.

 

[Danny C]

Does the state it is titled in (and yes, Missouri) matter? If it varies, that brings up a different question. At the time of titling, is boat length something I can fill out or will it just transfer from the previous title? I cannot remember how it worked with my last boat.

 

[jbcurt00]

Yes it matters what state just like it does for registration and titling.

I have registered boats online in Wisconsin and then transfered them to WV.

If I put 15ft 9in on the regiatration form online in WI, the registration comes w it listed at 15ft 9in.

I take that registration w me to the DMV here and fill out their transfer form, list it as 15ft 9in and my registration and title both come as simply 15ft. WV only counts the foot measurement.

And no one asks me to prove its 15ft 9in or not, nor ask my if want to use 16ft instead. Which is what the manufactuer called this model, a 16ftr.

But thats WV. Other states are certainly different.

 

[airshot]

My Islander is actually 21' 8" in length but the title states 22', now some years back I bought a 14' boat and in the state of Ohio a boat needs a title if it is 14' or over in length. The actual length was 13' 9" centerline and I mentioned this to the lady at the title office and showed her a pic with the measuring tape on it. She said fine and wrote the registration at 13' 9" so no title would be needed. On my 22' the fees are the same on a 21' as on a 22' so I never made an issue of it. That's how Ohio does it but not sure in other states.

 

[tpenfield]

Well, here is what the application for title and registration looks like . . .



Seems to ask feet and inches and then has you sign a statement saying that the information provided is true to the best of your knowledge. So, it looks like they are asking for the specific length, not just the major footage.

I have not been able to Google the actual boat title to see if they carry the information through to the title, only found automobile titles so far.

 

[roffey]

Why not take a tape measure? For the most part the model name of the boat is just that. I just measured my 198 Stingray, you would think the name implies its 19 feet 8 inches. The boat measures 20 feet 9 inches. I do have a swim platform on the back but it is intergraded and it is all part of the boat. You can't tell where the platform starts and the boat ends. Its all part of the boat. I guess my point is how big is the boat? It's kind of subjective. I would think if you have a size limit of 22 feet and your boat is a Regal 2200 I would play dumb and just call it 22 feet.

Is some one calling you on it? I would have to be really pissed off to report you for that.

 

[roffey]

found this on the web.
http://www.guideautoweb.com/boat/specifications/regal/bowriders/2200_bowrider/2012/
it reports your boat is 22 feet.

 

[dingbat]

In Maryland, you register at the manufacturers length.

My boat is advertised as a 22 footer and it's registered at 22" although the official length, measured at the water line is 22'-6".

My LOA for slip rental is 24'-10"

 

[roffey]

In Maryland, you register at the manufacturers length.

My boat is advertised as a 22 footer and it's registered at 22" although the official length, measured at the water line is 22'-6".

My OAL for slip rental is 24'-10"

.. and that is sort of my point. The LOA is different when you take a tape measure and measure form bow to stern than what is reported by the manufacturer. I bet its like the 9.9 motor, it's under 10 hp so you can get away with more stuff on the registration.

 

[Danny C]

No one is questioning me yet because I have not bought a boat, but an getting close to narrowing it down and want to make a purchase in the next month or so. I finally decided I need to call the lake and ask what the exact stipulations are as to how the decide if a boat is too big or not. They said they go off of what is on the title and it says 22' 1" the boat is too big. I would hate to purchase a boat and the title end up being 22' 1" and not be able to use it at my lake. I have seen specs on the boat that say 22' 2" and that is why I am a bit concerned. It is definitely something worth researching before I buy.

The difference between states is interesting. I will try calling the DMV to see what it is in Missouri. If I fill out the form and to the best of my knowledge it is 22' then I should be fine. I would have assumed that the original manufacturer title has a specified length and it just transfers form title to title over the years ( kind of like the vin number)

 

[dingbat]

.. and that is sort of my point. The LOA is different when you take a tape measure and measure form bow to stern than what is reported by the manufacturer.

Bow pulpits, swim platform, bracketed motors, etc. are not to be included in the hull length.

In my case, the bow pulpit adds 2' to my hull length making my LOA almost 24'-6" The bracketed version of that same 22' boat is a bit over 27' LOA. Still a 22' boat in the eyes of the coast guard

 

[tpenfield]

I would have assumed that the original manufacturer title has a specified length and it just transfers form title to title over the years ( kind of like the vin number)

What you fill out on the title application probably has a bit to do with what gets put on the MO title. When you surrender the previous title, the DMV officials may look to compare . . . or they may not.

I think you would be safe to buy a boat that has a documented (known) length of under 22 feet (or right on the button) rather than try to fudge your way through and get bagged in the end.

 

[roffey]

No one is questioning me yet because I have not bought a boat

I understand Danny and if it were me I would do the same. Boats are thousands of dollars and to get your boat and not be able to use it on your lake would just be to much. I thought you had the boat and some one was pulling your chain. Like you I would be very careful before you pull the trigger on a new to you boat. BTW, a Regal 2200 is a beautiful boat... and faster then mine, LOL.

 

[keith2k455]

The il title for my Crownline 210 lists of at 20' and not 20'4"

Honestly if it's this big of a deal, I'd look for a 20 to 21 foot max

 

[JoLin]

Bow pulpits, swim platform, bracketed motors, etc. are not to be included in the hull length.

In my case, the bow pulpit adds 2' to my hull length making my LOA almost 24'-6" The bracketed version of that same 22' boat is a bit over 27' LOA. Still a 22' boat in the eyes of the coast guard

I had always understood that if a swim platform or bow pulpit are molded in, as part of the hull structure, they are included in the 'official' LOA measurement. Added on components are not. That's supported by the title and registration for my Carver. According to Carver's specs, the total length of my boat, from swim platform to pulpit, is 29' 11". My swim platform is part of the hull, while the bow pulpit is bolted to the bow. My title and registration say the boat is 28' long, which presumably includes the molded-in swim platform but not the bolted-on pulpit.

If the OP is buying a new boat, he has to go over this with the dealer. If the boat is used, I'd look at what the current registration paperwork says and go by that. Since he'll be filling out the title application himself, I think he just wants his application to match whatever the current paperwork says.

My .02

 

[dingbat]

I had always understood that if a swim platform or bow pulpit are molded in, as part of the hull structure, they are included in the 'official' LOA measurement. Added on components are not.

You are correct, however "molded in" is the key word and misleading at that.

My builder went to a euro transom on a couple of it's boat. In the process, the 28' boat went to 30'. Ya, mine bigger than yours....until you dock them side by side and find out the 28' is actually a bigger boat (more cockpit space). My 22' is a bigger, if not bigger than most 24' when compared side by side

 

[tlombard]

Danny C, I'm assuming you are talking about Goose Creek so let's just propose a change in the rules to allow slightly larger boats in. I'll vote for it.

 

[Danny C]

So, from what I am gathering, it is a crap shoot depending on manufacturer, State, and previous documentation. I had a suspicion it was not going to be so cut and dry.

Tlombard: You are correct about Goose Creek. Ha, trying to change the bylaws would be a pretty slippery slope. To be honest, I am happy about the limit as it prevents unnecessarily large boats from the lake. Just trying to make sure I am within the guidelines. I do know that there is a Chapparal 232 Sunnesta docked in party cove. I wonder how they slipped that in. Grandfathered in maybe? Or maybe the got away with calling it a pontoon boat somehow?

 

[thumpar]

It looks like they do list feet and inches at least on the registration. All you have to do is look at the boat specs from the manufacturer of the boat you are looking at. That is what they should be using no matter what the actual length is.