Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

tfbrown1270

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The one that is on the 1987 9.9 two stroke is actually badged CDI.

It is not firing the top cylinder and is going to cost me an arm and a leg to replace. I don't see there is a "core" charge so I will get to keep the dead one...

my question is; can the plastic in the back of the thing be dug out to reveal the electronics (they can't be too complicated) to allow a repair? Has anyone done this?


Seems in these days of recycle re-use etc that they should be able to repair something like that, its probably just a resistor or diode or similar.
 

redjmp

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

Make sure it is the switchbox and not the trigger or stator winding or the ignition coil.

Switchboxes are not repairable simply because you cant dig out the epoxy easily.

I have a few where only one cylinder is dead and it would be nice to replace just that circuit with components from a another donor box.

That being said, I have jerry rigged 2 bad boxes together using just the good circuits to fire the whole motor...
 

tfbrown1270

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

I know its not the coil, I switched coils and the problem stayed with the top cylinder, I don't know how to test the trigger or stator, I thought that if it was firing one of the cylinders the trigger was working and the stator providing the juice making the only possible culprit the switch box!
 

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

Test the box by swapping input and output leads of the bad channel with a good one.
Does the problem move as well? Not the switchbox then.
 

tfbrown1270

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

OK, sounds like a plan :)

You couldn't help me with locating the input/output wires could you? I assume the output wires go to the coils and are easy to follow but the input?

Thanks again.
 

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

I have a bad switchbox laying around and want to do the same thing.It's the sierra replacement for a 4cyl merc. Afrter some testing i have determined that the only way i can dissolve the potting compound is by submerging the entire switchbox in acetone as it's the only chemical i have onhand that any effect. Now on the new switchbox i have its potted with true epoxy and i don't think that even a small scale thermonuclear device would affect it.
 

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

Dunk it in a pot of boiling water for awhile to soften it.you may have to do this several times to get it all out.I repaired my alarm module 5 years ago and saved 180.00,was well worth it to me.
 

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

Switchboxes are not repairable simply because you cant dig out the epoxy easily.

Why do you think Merc encases them in epoxy? It's not like it makes them more reliable. If people started repairing them it would cut into their hefty profits.
 

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

Dunk it in a pot of boiling water for awhile to soften it.you may have to do this several times to get it all out.I repaired my alarm module 5 years ago and saved 180.00,was well worth it to me.
Nice. What was it inside that went bad? A transistor?
 

tfbrown1270

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

OK, sounds like a plan :)

You couldn't help me with locating the input/output wires could you? I assume the output wires go to the coils and are easy to follow but the input?

Thanks again.

Anyone able to help with this?

I would like to try this first ...swapping wires.... if I can figure out which ones! Its a 1987 Mercury 9.9 two cylinder two stroke.

If I can confirm its something in the switch-box I will try the boiling water method first :>
 

redjmp

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

I am not sure about your 2 cylinder box but for 3 and 4 you would just leave the wires that go in the bottom alone. You just want to swap the wires on the side of the switchbox. The green(?) wires are outputs because they go to the coils. They correspond to the cylinders. The other side has inputs. White,violet, brown,etc.

Test the box by determining which is the cylinder that doesn't fire (the cold,wet plug).
Example: If its cylinder #2, first swap the input with #1 and then go and swap the corresponding output wires (4 wires total).
The box doesn't really care what channels are used for what cylinders.
As long as the inputs match the outputs, it will run...

So basic troubleshooting 101.
Swap with a known good channel.
Is #2 now warm?

If so it is a bad box.
 

tfbrown1270

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

Thanks...... I'm on it and will let the board know what happens.

Thanks all
 

tfbrown1270

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

I went to the CDI site

http://www.cdielectronics.com/Portals/0/installsheet/114-7452K 1.pdf

to find a wiring diagram to swap the channels and found this in the trouble shooting section for my switch box (its a CDI unit)...

of particular note is the warning and #5 which describes my problem.

Only problem is I don't know what the correct voltage is supposed to be at the stator and trigger.... anyone know????? Am I testing this with the motor running?

WARNING! If the old pack fired only one cylinder, remove the flywheel and check the magnets to see if they are loose.

TROUBLESHOOTING THE 114-7452K1
Visually inspect the stator for cracks or varnish leakage. If found, replace the stator.
Unit will not fire:
1. Disconnect the black/yellow kill wire AT THE PACK. Check for broken or bare wires on the unit, stator and trigger. Using the Fluke meter with the 511-9773 peak reading adapter (or CD-77), measure DVA voltage of the stator from the black/yellow wire to engine ground with everything connected. It should be approx. 180 volts or more. Black/white wire to ground should be 25 volts or more.
2. Engine will not kill: Check kill circuit in the pack by using a jumper wire connected to the black/yellow wire coming out of the pack and shorting it to ground. If this kills the engine, the kill circuit in the harness or on the boat is bad, possibly the ignition switch.
3. High speed miss: Check the DVA voltage of the stator while running the engine. It should show a smooth climb on the black/white wire. NOTICE: Use caution when doing this and do not exceed the rated voltage range of your meter. The readings should show a smooth climb in voltage. If there is a sudden or fast drop in voltage right before the miss becomes apparent, the stator is usually at fault. If there is no indication of the problem, it could be a small water leak in one or both cylinders.
4. Coils fire with spark plugs out but not in: Check for dragging starter or low battery causing slow cranking speed. DVA test stator and trigger.
5. Intermittent firing on one or more cylinders: Check for low voltage from the stator and trigger.
6. All Cylinders fire but engine will not crank and run: Index the flywheel and check timing on both cylinders. If the timing is off, replace the switch box.
 

tfbrown1270

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

I also found this info on installation and testing the CDI unit...

TROUBLESHOOTING
Visually inspect the stator for cracks or varnish leakage. If found, replace the stator.
Unit will not fire:
1. Disconnect the black/yellow kill wire AT THE PACK. Check for broken or bare wires on the unit, stator and trigger.
2. DVA test the stator and trigger as follows:
Read from Read to OEM Resistance CDI Resistance DVA
Black/White Eng Gnd 150-250 200-250 25V or more
Black/Yellow Eng Gnd 3250-3650 2200-2400 180V or more
Brown/White Brown/Yellow 750-1400 925-1050 4V or more
Brown/White Eng Gnd OPEN OPEN < 1 volt

I followed the instructions but found values

135 ohms
893 ohms
754 ohms
OPEN

I don't know how to test for DVA, I assume thats Digital Volt Amps but haven't a clue how to measure that.

Seems my values are pretty far away from where they should be, does that mean the switch box is toast or the stator and trigger? The more I learn the less I know!!!!

fwiw I measured those values with the CDI box attached (except for the black/yellow wire as cautioned in instruction #1), just shoving the probes under the plug shields.

I see nothing broken or damaged under the flywheel.

Hummmm my little spreadsheet doesn't work well... i will try it as an attachment...
 

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tfbrown1270

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

All the components were fine,the board was just full of bad solder joints.

That is super discouraging... They seal the thing up so can't can't see or fix the thing and then have to run out and buy another and it too may be soldered poorly....gotta love some businesses; they work really hard at pushing their customers onto another brand
 

hdman97

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

You will need a DVA meter or a DVA adaptor for a DMM.
If you do a search here there are plans for making one.
All of the tests are on the CDI site or in the Mercury service manual.
 

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

yes they can.
I have done it
i dug the potting out with a screwdriver, knife, pliers ect.
i have photos of the circuit board.
i have drawn a circuit diagram.
the fault was corroded wires.
 

hdman97

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Re: Can a Mercury switchbox be repaired?

Could you post pic's of the circuit board and diagram?
Thanks....
 
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