Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

[Haydenchap]

Our family is looking to purchase our first boat and we have found a 2000 Chaparral SSi 196 with 115 hours. It has a 5.o fuel injection and all the options inlcuding Samson ski tower. It's a one-owner boat with all maintenance records. The asking price is $18.9K. Is that a reasonable price? Thanks (when purchased we will use the boat on Hayden Lake, Id)

 

[TilliamWe]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

I question why it has so FEW hours! It's 10 years old, that's an average of 11.5 hours a summer. Wow, that's A LOT of sitting around. What do the maintenance records show? Did they skip items in the fall or the spring, "because it only got 15 hours on it this year"? If so, that's bad.

The price is WAY HIGH.

 

[Subliminal]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

I paid a little less than that for my 08 Monterey with a 2010 trailer. Given, I have the next size smaller boat and the next size smaller motor, but that still seems super high to me!

 

[Philster]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

Super high price. They are upside down in debt and staggering interest from a 15 - 30 year loan.

 

[Haydenchap]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

Thanks for the input, I also thought the price may be high. I asked about service records and he said he owns a autoshop and serviced it himself. He said his kids left home and that's why it was seldom used + he lives in Seattle and had to drive over to the east side each summer - so that may be why the low hours. Ok does anyone know much about Maxums? the second boat we have an option on is a 2006 2000sr3 with 45 hours for 23k?

 

[jkust]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

If I saw that many hours in Minnesota I'd say it was right on. Our season where the water is warm is at best 3 months and last year is wasn't even that long. Low hour boats are the norm not the exception. In three years I won't likely hit 115 hours on my 2003 Chaparral. As for the comparison, the 196 is a pretty substantial boat (8'4" beam, 3221lbs dry, 45 gallon gas tank, cost $34,900 10 years ago) moreso than the 08 Monterey but it's not a contemporary model so really not a great apples to apples comparison to a 2008 model. Even the fuel injection is pre mpi. Regarding the price then, if it was maybe a 2002 and newer but it seems high for a 2000 and it doesn't have the optional 5.7 fi. That is a very nice boat though. I would buy that Chaparral however every day over a lesser brand new similar sized bowrider of some other brands. Those Chaps were ahead of their time and were more contemporary in that vintage than most other brands. That is why I ended up with a 2003 Chap when I purchased in 2008. There was not much of a comparison even to new. A quick search and I found that boat for over 2k less with the 5.7 fuel injected engine.

 

[bruceb58]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

That boat should be under $10K.

Just as an example here is one for $12k at a dealer.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/2000-CHAPARRAL-196-ssi-95839133

 

[jkust]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

I'm going to disagree on the 10k price at least here in MN even private party. My point is that prices are regional. That example 196 link is located in Texas. We only wish our boats and cars were priced like they are every day in Texas and many other southern and some eastern states. In MN a top tier brand for 10k like the 196 would have a line of bidders showing up to take advantage of whoever underpriced it (also it had the base power 5.0 carb so should be a bit less than the FI model). Of course we are ignoring condition and all the essentials with this discussion since we don't necessarily know the true condition of each.

 

[TilliamWe]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

... (also it had the base power 5.0 carb so should be a bit less than the FI model)....

His first post clearly states that it is Fuel Injected. It may "only" be TBI, but it's still 240hp if it is!

 

[BTMCB]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

Thanks for the input, I also thought the price may be high. I asked about service records and he said he owns a autoshop and serviced it himself. He said his kids left home and that's why it was seldom used + he lives in Seattle and had to drive over to the east side each summer - so that may be why the low hours. Ok does anyone know much about Maxums? the second boat we have an option on is a 2006 2000sr3 with 45 hours for 23k?

Am very satisfied with my 2008 Maxum 1900SR3 that I bought new last August. Was out the door for about 20k. Great performing boat and even though the maxum is discontinued, great support from US Marine, Brunswick. Good luck.

 

[bruceb58]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

I'm going to disagree on the 10k price at least here in MN even private party. My point is that prices are regional.

The price for that boat is way out of line even in a small market. You can't tell me that a boat in Idaho or Minnestoa is going to be 50% to 80% higher than Texas. If it is, might be worthwhile driving a few hundred miles to find one in another market.

I bought my 3 year old 24' Wellcraft back in 2002 for $20K with 75 hours on it and a 5 year warranty. NADA on the boat was $28K. NADA on the Chapparal in this post is less than $10K.

 

[TilliamWe]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

... NADA on the boat was $28K. NADA on the Chapparal in this post is less than $10K.

Actually Bruce, if you select the correct horsepower engine (a 5.0TBI is 240hp), fuel injection, and add for the tower, NADA is $12000 without a trailer. Of course this Chaparral isn't worth that much, but that's what the NADA is.

 

[Haydenchap]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

Ok, based the good input we have decided that our first boat should not already be 10 years old. So I am now looking at a 2006 Maxum with 50 hours for 20k has the 5.o 260hp engine fuel injected with wake tower. Would like input on both quality of Maxum boats and price for this 2006. thanks very much and Happy mother's day to the boating moms.

 

[bruceb58]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

Added the tower.

Thought the trailer was always included on these smaller boats.

 

[bruceb58]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

Maxum boats are OK. A lot better than when they first came out. They are basically the same as a Bayliner but spruced up a bit. Underneath the vinyl, they have the same construction as a Bayliner. For an entry level boat they are fine.

Since you live in Idaho, I would definitley check on Boat Trader to see what is available in the Seattle area. The good thing about buying a newer boat is that there is going to be less variability with condition so travelling to see a boat is less of a risk. I drove from LA to Santa Cruz once to check out a boat which was immaculate. He was asking too much at the time but lowered it to a great price later. By that time I had already found the boat I bought. Its a buyers market...take a little bit if time doing some research and you will get a good buy.

 

[jkust]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

His first post clearly states that it is Fuel Injected. It may "only" be TBI, but it's still 240hp if it is!

Just saw your response. I agree, I was referring to the other 196 linked out in Texas being the base 5.0.

The price for that boat is way out of line even in a small market. You can't tell me that a boat in Idaho or Minnestoa is going to be 50% to 80% higher than Texas. If it is, might be worthwhile driving a few hundred miles to find one in another market.

I am not saying 80% higher but yes substantially higher here. I have bought several used vehicles down south and had them shipped up here because of this very reason. As for Boats absolutley, there is a huge price difference. When I bought my boat two years ago, even the new prices were so much cheaper down south that the local MN dealers refused to match the southern prices. Some dealers even went so far as to say the souther dealer's printed ads were simply made up. Stuff is simply more expensive up here for the exact same items. Also then because we have so many lakes throughout every part of the state the demand is just huge for boats which again drives prices up. We have more boat registrations per capita than any other state of course this isn't Idaho so I couldn't tell you anything about their market. We have several friends from Texas and other southern states that were taken back by how much more $ stuff in general costs here when they were relocated. People that don't know MN well think of us as a sleapy, midwestern, hicktown state that borders Canada when we actually have one of the highest standards of living in the country which brings with it high incomes and high prices. Before the internet and before I traveled so extensively, I was unaware how different things can be from region to region and state to state. When Ebay first started selling cars, it was like beating the system being able to buy more vehicle for less than locally and only paying 1000ish for shipping.
As for NADA, I can't emphasize enough how egregiously underpriced NADA is. It is so divergent from reality it is as though it is fiction. I look at those NADA numbers and think to myself how great it would be if I could buy a boat for that cheap.

In any event he is on to a Maxum. I'd like to hear his thoughts on the Maxum. Which Maxum model is it? Maxum is at or very near the absolute bottom of my list but that would be a nice power package. I will also mention that I own a Bayliner in addition to my sig boat so certainly not a basher.

 

[TilliamWe]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

Ok, Bruce, now go the the real NADA page, the one labelled "Business", not consumer. The high retail is $9230. I think I can make the case that this boat meets the high retail criteria, moreso than you can say it's "average". Add the appropriate HP engine and the tower, like you did. Then add the fuel injection. Viola it's $12005. TRAILERS ARE NOT INCLUDED in NADA pricing unless specified at the title page for that model year for that manufacturer. The trailer is NOT included on this model. If you want to consider that, then a 2000 model year single axle trailer without brakes or any add ons has a high retail of $765.

Regarding Maxums, they are okay boats. Some models are built right along side Bayliners in Mexico. I have thought that the retail prices on new Maxums are too high, considering what you can get brand new Bayliners for.

 

[TilliamWe]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

As for NADA, I can't emphasize enough how egregiously underpriced NADA is. It is so divergent from reality it is as though it is fiction. I look at those NADA numbers and think to myself how great it would be if I could buy a boat for that cheap...

I agree NADA pricing is out of line...

Every time I look at NADA numbers, I can't believe how HIGH the prices are, that NO boat should bring that amount of money.

Perfect example, my dad's 1997 Chaparral 2135SS retailed at $33,000 in 1997. My dad paid $27,000 for it. 4 years later, when I bought it off him, the NADA on the boat was still $24000! No way in H**** was that boat worth that money 4 years later. NONE.

 

[bruceb58]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

As for NADA, I can't emphasize enough how egregiously underpriced NADA is. It is so divergent from reality it is as though it is fiction. I look at those NADA numbers and think to myself how great it would be if I could buy a boat for that cheap.

Interesting that I bought my boat for $20K when the NADA was $28K. My brother bought his 26' Formula boat for 20% less than NADA as well. These boats were 24' and 26' respectively. And I am using the consumer NADA...not business. Bottom line, NADA is just a guide. I n areas such as Southern California where I live, there is an abundance of boats to choose from so that may be why I can buy them cheaper here even though our salaries and our homes are so expensive.

 

[jkust]

Re: Chaparral SSi 196 for 18k

Interesting that I bought my boat for $20K when the NADA was $28K. My brother bought his 26' Formula boat for 20% less than NADA as well. These boats were 24' and 26' respectively. And I am using the consumer NADA...not business. Bottom line, NADA is just a guide. I n areas such as Southern California where I live, there is an abundance of boats to choose from so that may be why I can buy them cheaper here even though our salaries and our homes are so expensive.

Yes it is like you are typing Greek. Lower than NADA is like bizarro world to me. Definitely not an abundance of nice/newer bowriders for sale here (though there were more this opening season than previous years). They go quickly when you do find them for sale. Boat ownership where there are more than 11,000 lakes is so practical and the 20 foot and under bowrider is the norm, NADA seems to not apply here.