Check Out Kerry's Record

SoulWinner

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Dang Boomyal, I think I luuuuv you. I'm sure already know that Bush did the same thing Reagan did, and Reagan followed John F Kennedy's lead. Funney how everything is just a big unending circle, like bell bottoms and tie-die.....I think I need some shrooms.....mmmmm....shrooms.....
 

Boomyal

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Careful SoulWinner, they might think we crossed over. :D Just as long as ya don't try to plant a big one on me.
 

Whaler Proud

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I think Carp and JB had the best posts here after the first. <br /><br />JB: I admire the fact that, whiule a highly educated man, you do not hold it above anyone (I did not finish college and have to work with a whole bunch of idiots who did). And I back you 100% in your desire to discuss "REAL issues like what would this candidate do about ______, which matters to me?" We seem to have lost that part of the debate cycle.<br /><br /><br />Carp King: Great job looking into the facts. Now I will look into your facts.<br /><br />aspeck: Great job brining something to the table for debate. You have sparked some emotion, and that is good.<br /><br />And Soulwinner: Speaking facts to a liberal is like sharing the Gospel. Chances are it is going to be rejected.<br /><br />But I love all of you! Keep up the debate!
 

Link

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First Good post Aspect:<br /><br />Man I keep telling myself to just avoid all political crap on this forum. But when I see the passion (not emotion) people have for their point of view I always seem to open my big mouth.<br /><br />Our forefathers knew that power corrupts and tried to set up our government to avoid this. Elected PollCats of the people, by the people. For the will of the people. <br />Ha! It was a joke back then as it is now. <br />They were rich white men then and for the most part now! 200 years hasn't changed much. Now just rich counts and race or sex isn't that much of a problem. <br />(Jessie the proverty(sp) **** Jackson) would fly a rainbow flag and disagree) as all Demon-crates<br /><br />They set OUR country was set up as a two party system back then and for the most part it still is.<br />The problem is that both parties are so corrupt that you can't see the difference.<br /><br />OUR system is still the best in the world! Even with all of our faults.. except unlike the rest of the world we admit our mistakes! And try to correct them.<br /><br />But as Whaler Proud wants a continued debate lets not forget the little guys.. and this is what started me on this rant if you will.<br /><br />We started out as a two party system and somewhere a third party came onto the map.<br /><br />We have <br />Dems<br />Reps<br />and a third party which didn't buy into either for good reasons.<br />libertarian<br /><br />Libertarian's don't buy into the normal. They look at both sides then make their own decision based on what they know.<br /><br />Unfortunately most libertarian's buy into the Demon-crate party as they are very liberal also.<br />But some hate being stereo typed like that! Actually most do. <br /><br />The Demon-crates stole the libertarian party knowing they would for the most part agree with them and vote for them. :( <br /><br />So if your going to have a debate call <br />PW2 or snapperbait a demoncrate and me a republican but don't include the word libertarian!<br />libertarian's deserve a right to stand on thier own.<br />My wife a liberal will watch a dog/cat fight.. cat loses and is dead! We both feel sorrey for the cat but thats just life.<br /><br />Same thing with my squirrels.. cat and squirrel fight.. my squirrel loses.. just a part of life.<br /><br />BTW most of us Americans are more middle of the road Libs than we want to think :) <br />Just my thoughts<br /><br />Link
 

Link

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Boy did I ever open my big mouth! :eek: <br />Nope not going to change a thing.. :)
 

Carphunter

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Golly, the wisdom of Binlurkin has changed my mind................................................................................................................Nope, verdict still the same, Kerry's still an idiot. :cool:
 

blacktie

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soulwinner (as far as all of the threads that I have seen) hits the nail right on the head. Most americans aren't concerned with issues, they are concerned with soundbites. Issues transcend administrations, and are long term goals that progress needs to be made on...here is a partial cheatsheet to help you differentiate between the two (I will do my best to be fair and non-partisan)...by the way, when did the media abandon common respect and decency to address our elected officals by their last name only? When I was raised, you utilized the appropriate title for a person, regardless of whether you liked them or not...:<br /><br />Soundbites:<br />Senator Kerry or President Bush's misspoken words, off color words caught on tape, etc.<br />Debates over whether President Bush was AWOL from the guard, or whether Senator Kerry's medals were earned or gratuitous.<br /><br />Issues:<br /><br />in 2012, social security will begin running a defecit. by 2030, it will be completely exhausted. Today, there are roughly 3 workers supporting each retiree, in a few decades, that will shrink to almost 1 worker for each retiree. It is a strain for 3 of us now to kick in the benefits for one retired person...who here can carry another entire person on his/her back? do we honestly think that either candidate can correct this in the span of 4 years? can it be corrected at all, or will the system just collapse one day, sending us into an age-divided civil war between workers and retirees?<br /><br />most of our infrastructure (highways, bridges, etc) were built in the 60's and 70's. it is now 40-50 years old. it requires perpetual maintenance just to remain marginally functional. the costs and maintenance are only going to get worse as time elapses. should we not be looking into alternatives for this infrastructure? when I was young, most families had one car...now most have at least 2...south florida people chime in here (I lived in south florida for awhile...)...if they built 10 lanes in each direction in broward county, do you think it would make a difference? or would they just fill up in gridlock like the 6 or so that are already there? who is looking at a different way of moving people from place a to place b?<br /><br /><br />one last thought...why should we care what the rest of the world thinks about us. are we like a needy little child who needs reassurance from our parents that we are "ok"?. it took us 160 years to seperate ourselves as a nation from the countries who either kicked our ancestors out, or drove them out because of their messed up policies both in their countries, as well as how they dealt with other countries. we made ourselves into the most powerful nation because we adopted a "we will do what we think is right regardless of what the world thinks" attitude, and that attitude saved the world on more than one occasion (WWII and the cold war) from being overrun. why are we so eager to change that mindset into "we will do what the rest of the world thinks is right", when that is why we emigrated from there in the first place. Damn, people, right left or center, we are still all AMERICANS, and need to remember what that means, and act like Americans..
 

Crazy

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Bet ya he is going to be your next PRESIDENT . Bush will not make a second term .
 

BrianFD

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