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txswinner

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Am I into my conspiracy mode again or do others see the real danger in the world for the USA to be China. They are becoming economically a super power and now are increasing their markets and controls into central and south America. Recently, they considered buying Unical wow, and the manpower and military might are conceivably not far behind ours. The sheer numbers and with nuclear weapons make the a true super power. Cold War again.
 

18rabbit

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It's not a conspiracy. And there's not enough bandwidth to go into details about this. For anyone that watches the global economy and military posturing, there is only one possible conclusion. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran ... all of it falls into place as prepping for the big show. Keep in mind, whoever controls the oil is assured the best seat in the house when the curtain goes up. With that in mind, our direct involvement in Iraq, and I guarantee you Iran is next, makes sense.<br /><br />How to prove you are stupid beyond saving: take a job within the Iranian gov't, 'cause that gov't is going to be taken down.
 

Limited-Time

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tx,<br />With all due respect, that’s no news flash. China has been gaining, amassing, developing, all you allude to for the past decade plus. The world economy is now starting to feel the impact of China in real costs both beneficial (cheep labor market) and detrimental (increased raw material and energy cost due to Chinas demand). They are growing and developing. We can no more stop them than we can turn back time. They will be the next new super power. We need to insure China realizes that with power comes responsibility. <br /><br />FWIW My .02 cents worth.
 

bootle

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" 'cause that gov't is going to be taken down."<br /><br /><br />The sooner the better.<br /><br /><br />"We can no more stop them than we can turn back time. They will be the next new super power. We need to insure China realizes that with power comes responsibility."<br /><br />A fact that we will have to get used to, even though its very difficult pill to swallow. :(
 

JB

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I think I posted about China about 2 years ago.<br /><br /> http://forums.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=005165#000000 <br /><br />China is the 800 pound gorilla in the world now, and will be more so in the rest of this century.<br /><br />With the fall of the Soviet Union, they backed off from military posturing. Nobody, including the USA, is a military threat to them and they don't seem to have any imperial ambitions.<br /><br />The 21st century will be the century of China, just as the 20th was the century of the USA.<br /><br />Our best strategy is partnership with them in world trade, economics, and international affairs.<br /><br />Back in the early 90s I predicted WWIII would be between fundamentalist Islam and the Judeo Christian world and would start in 1999. I missed the year. I also predicted that China would stay out of it, pick up the pieces and become the world superpower.<br /><br />I think it would be foolish to try to compete with China in any way. All she needs from us is food and technology. If we get too nasty she can get them from Russia. If we are her partner we both win.<br /><br />If we don't approve of her form of government we should not intervene, just leave it to the Chinese to change it. They will.
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> I think it would be foolish to try to compete with China in any way. All she needs from us is food and technology. If we get too nasty she can get them from Russia. If we are her partner we both win.
As long as that partner learns to honor Intelectual Property then I agree. Fact is that they steal most of the technology they receive from us . . . This gives their companies an unfair advantage even without the labor cost savings.
 

rolmops

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Have you forgotten what Corporate America is all about???Take a very good look at the Chinese industrial complex and see where the ownership is.Lots of these "Chinese" factories are American owned and new markets are created by these companies.Corporate America is getting stronger by investing in China.It makes China stronger and it turns the USA into a client state.<br />Super powers are no longer interested in ideology or real estate.They want to dominate in one open world as an economic super power.The war is fought in the Walmarts of the world not on the conventional battle field.<br />I sometimes think that we will soon witness the demise of the nation state and we will see the rise of the ruling corporate complexes
 

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JB, written almost 2 years ago and still spot on, BTW KIZ made some good points regarding China's probable evolution regarding environmental policy changes. I too believe this will come into play. <br /><br />You also stated;<br /> "If we don't approve of her form of government we should not intervene, just leave it to the Chinese to change it. They will."<br /><br />I see this occurring as the labor force becomes educated and enlightened. You can only keep them "down on the farm" (out in the fields) so long.<br /><br />QC, nail on the head there. Although I’m not sure how, this issue needs to be addressed. And the problem resolved before the Chinese market pirates the worlds technologies and intellectual properties.
 

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I'm glad Chevron was able to buy Unocal for a lower price than the Chinese offered, but what if Chevron gets itself into a takeover situation or out-right sell off? As the world turns, the weight of all that money is turning the world toward China.
 

briannh1234

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All those factory's in China that are owned by the US - Don't think so. The US corps setup shop, Get the factory going, and then the Chinese Goverment takes over the factory. The are stealing more that just our technology, they are also stealing our production techiques.
 

rodbolt

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problem is they are not stealing it we are giving our production technology to them in the name of corperate greed and cheap products. even the japanese are astounded that the big 3 automakers have all built plants there with the latest in automation. why even the great american outboard manufactuer,mercury, has opened a 30 million dollar production facility in china last febuary with another scheduled. them fondu lac folks best learn a bit o chinese and learn how to eat chicket feet and rice with bamboo sticks.
 

JRJ

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> problem is they are not stealing it we are giving our production technology to them in the name of corperate greed and cheap products. even the japanese are astounded that the big 3 automakers have all built plants there with the latest in automation. why even the great american outboard manufactuer,mercury, has opened a 30 million dollar production facility in china last febuary with another scheduled. them fondu lac folks best learn a bit o chinese and learn how to eat chicket feet and rice with bamboo sticks.
You got me with the "chicket feet" :D :D
 

rodbolt

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the chickenfeet soup was something I saw on a show about a german toy manufactuer that moved production to china from west germany.<br /> one of the delicacy they had to eat was chicken feet soup. I did not see it as particularly palatable :) :) .
 

18rabbit

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Well, some of the technology China has is stolen. Bring yourselves up to speed on what happened with Ocean Spray, the cranberry people. Also Loral, the rocket launching folks.<br /><br />China is of the opinion she has the right to expand and dominate the entire globe, and the US is her nemesis in that agenda, Russia has become her ally. There is a reason why China is running at mach-1-billion to get onto the moon. It is the ideal strategic launch platform for global warfare. Been wondering why GW wants us back on that orbiting dust ball?!?<br /><br />And remember, the military first thing GW did when after taking office was to restart the ICBM intercept missile development that Billy Jeff canned just a few years prior. Recall, GW said it was of the utmost importance, the #1 military priority is to have that system in place. All testing is being done in the direction of the Pacific Ocean. A couple years ago I saw one of the intercept test missiles streaking across the sky, from somewhere on the backside of Calif or Nevada, to out over the pacific. It is friggin’ awesome to see one of those things in flight, but it put a chill over the whole body to know why it was there.<br /><br />Anyone that thinks China can be bought off with economic incentives is foolish, doesn’t understand the culture of what we are dealing with.
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> I think it would be foolish to try to compete with China in any way. All she needs from us is food and technology. If we get too nasty she can get them from Russia. If we are her partner we both win.
I adamantly disagree with this. Because of its geography, Russia is destined to remain on the fringes of 3rd world-dom forever. Although she has the resources, she was never able to fully embrace the industrial revolution...because of her geography. And unless the shape of the planet changes, Russia cannot produce the food or product China wants/needs. If Russia could, she would, because Russia needs the money.<br /><br />
Originally posted by JB:<br />If we don't approve of her form of government we should not intervene, just leave it to the Chinese to change it. They will.
I doubt it. Those involved in the Tiananmen Square protest didn’t change anything. They either disappeared in Chinese custody, or were executed, sending a message to everyone. And the msg must have been received because there hasn’t been anything like the Tiananmen Sq incident since. Folks don't understand a huge portion of the interntet just isn't available in China. It is very tightly controlled, and all users must register to access the web, and ALL web access is monitored.
 

Fly Rod

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:) China has always been a problem of being a super power!!!! and I'm sure that our next world war will be with them and the Russians!!! ;) :cool:
 

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> one of the delicacy they had to eat was chicken feet soup
I had sauteed goose feet (geese foot :) ) in Malaysia. They said that the original recipe was to get the frying pan going really good with a little oil. Then you place the live goose in the pan and he dances around until they are done just right . . . :eek: That's what they told me . . . and call me gullible, but I believe them.<br /><br />Did you know that gullible is not found in the dictionary?
 
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