Chinese Outboards Soon?

[ross patti]

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Must be different Down Under.<br /> My kids go to a school where they are in the vast minority. In their class photos,there is a hell of a lot of straight black hair and all other standard issue Asian features.<br /> But the funniest thing is when you look at their names.....Jackson, Terrence ,Vincent Simon , Alexander etc etc etc.<br /> They all seem to name their kids normal like,until you get to the surnames !!<br /> Ya end up with..Jackson Huang.. Terry Xziau<br /> Ya gotta laugh !!

 

[lark2004]

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One thing I feel that you are over looking is a basic Chinese principle. We pride ourselves on inovation, making something new, different to everyone else's. The Chinese belive in the idea that if something works, copy it. They pride themselves on replicating proven technology. I don't feel that all Chinese products are second rate copies. Some are, but many aren't. The thing to watch for is where in China the parts are made. If it is from Mainland China, there probably won't be much to fault it on. <br />If it is from Taiwan however, be careful. Taiwan is a part of the P.R.O.C. but the Taiwanese dislike their Chinese overseers. That is where you will likely find poor product. Due to workers not careing about their workmanship, because they do not care about the Chinese owners of the companies they work for.<br /><br />I know that many of you will have trouble with believing this, But I work in the electronics manufacturing industry, and see this all the time. <br /><br />I also know that many off you will only buy American made, much the same as we here in Australia will only buy Aussie products. But how many parts are really made in our home countries? It really is a case of "Assembled in America/Australia", with most of the parts coming from Asia. <br />How much of the electronics that control todays outboards are made local? not mauch, The boards may be assembled local, but most of the components on the boards are from Asia.<br /><br />As I said, Most of you won't like this or believe it. But thats the short of it.

 

[ratracer]

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Based on what I've seen and heard during my visits to Taiwan, even the ethnic Chinese there take care to distinguish Taiwan/R.O.C. from the P.R.O.C., regardless of what Bejing wants the rest of the world to believe. I spent a good chunk of time there last year which happened to include the time leading up to and during the Taiwanese elections last fall. <br /><br />If you work in the electronics industry, you'll know that a lot of the manufacturing that had been done there intil recently has transitioned, or is in the process of transitioning, over to mainland China. Even the Taiwanese can't compete with the cheap cost of labor on the mainland.

 

[novicetech]

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SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[artherm]

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I would imagine the Chinese will follow the same tradition of the Japanese Yamaha, copying OMC lower unit casting indentations that have no purpose in function. Please remember, the Chinese are Communist that believe in world domination. Their government also own their factories. Talk radio just the other day was talking about how our "Toaster money was buying Russian Navy ships with missiles capable of destroying our most mighty aircraft carriers", this is fact. American needs to wake up to our trade with China. I work in the HVAC business. Our copper prices have doubled in the last year, along with sheet metal prices. China's economy is growing so fast, that it must be fed, crude oil is next. Hang on for the ride, gasoline prices will never be below $2.00/gallon again. Sorry I got off the subject.

 

[scotty c]

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it may be sad, but it's a fact of life<br />we live in a global economy, and if they can build a cheaper knockoff then people will buy it.<br /><br />why is a new 50 or 60 hp outboard 6-7k<br />anyway?<br />may be it's time there was competition<br />in the marketplace?

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by scotty c:<br />why is a new 50 or 60 hp outboard 6-7k<br />anyway?<br />may be it's time there was competition<br />in the marketplace?

I agree completely. Outboard prices are absolutely, totally ridiculous. You can buy a whole new 150hp car for the price of a ~150hp outboard. How does that make any sense? If china can make an outboard that isn't completely crap (like most of the current chinese engine knock offs) for a reasonable price, I'd certainly buy one.<br /><br />As for chinese quality, they are just as capable of making good stuff as we are, but they usually don't. I imported some high end HID spotlights directly from the manufacturer in Taiwan several months ago. They are EXTREMELY good quality, and certainly wouldn't be any better if they were made in the USA.

 

[jeromeo]

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saw a SAIL brand outboard on ebaay couple weeks ago. chinese 40hp i believe. reserve price was pretty low ,cant remember exactly.tried to search for info on them but couldnt find any.

 

[reach]

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Good call CATransplant... here you go. This company (Shark) is offering a line of Yamaha clones branded "Sail". (On the parts section they claim to be Yamaha parts compatible.)<br /><br /> http://www.sharkinflatableboats.com/ <br /><br />At least I assume they're clones... has anyone had a look at one in person?

 

[gss036]

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http://www.sharkinflatableboats.com...latable_boats_outboard_motors.php?show=motors. <br />This page show thier motor and prices. I think for the money, the Tohatsu/Nissan has them beat hands down. There is only about $200 difference in the 15 hp models. I think I would be waiting on a track record to be established before I laid down my money.

 

[Paul Moir]

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Those prices seem a little, well, pricey. Ebay.ca reports them at about $1600CDN, making the difference closer to $700 CDN. Which is probably very convincing to Joe Boat Buyer who doesn't know what to-what-su means.

 

[cobra 3.0]

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...have to admit, they look pretty tempting!<br /><br /> http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Sail-Outboa...ryZ15266QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[DJ]

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It's not who assembles them, in my book. It's where the parent comapny is and where the dollars ultimately go.<br /><br />No Chinese (stolen technology) outboards on my transom, regardless of price.

 

[haddles]

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Some guy here in Australia sells Sail 15hp outboards about $400-500 less than a Yamaha and claims the parts are interchangable. Certainly looks like a 15hp Yamaha.<br />I can see no reason why the country a product is built can have an effect on quality if the product is closely overseen by it's parent company. Just depends on whether you want to support sweatshop labour.<br />I personally don't think their own brand stuff is that good however. I noticed the chinese are making jet skis for around half the price with a free trailer thrown in. I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.<br />Give them 20 years (and a few name changes, wang, lung and xiangchow arent exactly macho) and they will be another Japan, then it will be Indias turn...

 

[cobra 3.0]

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I'm thinking that when the chinese make parts for everyone else, they then take that technology(same darn manufacturer-plant-machine) and make their own. I'll bet the motor in fact is exactly a Yamaha just marketed by the Chinese.<br /><br />As far as quality goes, China does produce crap...but they also make the high quality merchandise for just about every product being made in the world...like high end golf clubs, graphite composite hockey sticks, high end waterproof garments in Goretex for skiing and hunting, etc., etc, etc...<br /><br />They work hard and learn fast and all on the cheap. Look out here comes the new world power. The USA can only watch and let it happen.

 

[eli_lilly]

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The quality of a product originating from a Chinese factory largely depends on the amount of oversight the customer exerts on the factory. If the customer orders 500 knockoff Yamaha motors and doesn't put their own staff at the plant, to ensure quality control, the end product will be hideous. If there is good quality control from the entity ordering the production then the product can still be halfway decent. But you'd be naive to think that the knockoff product is identical in quality to the original.

 

[cobra 3.0]

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My point is that it isn't a "knockoff". It's the same darn product that Yamaha asks them to make for them. <br /><br />I just came back from the sportsman show and the Chinese ATV's had Chinese made Yamaha motors in them. Yamoto was the brand. The quality for these little ATV's and motorcycles was anything but "hideous". Yamaha is working with the Chinese in a very, very big way. I think you're the one who's being naive in believing the product is any different because the color and name is different because it's not someone copying someone else rather, it's the originator(Yamaha) working with the Chinese and setting up sophisticated plants to produce these engines.

 

[Paul Moir]

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Lol! DJ, I appreciate the sentiment but I think the concept of real property isn't even twenty years old in China, never mind the notion of intellectual property. And I rather doubt they would have much respect anyway for the intellectual property of a Japanese company. <br /><br />It seems to me that these "SAIL" outboards are in fact the product and trademark of one company in China. So this isn't like a Sieg lathe where Harbour Freight is insisting on such-and-such a price, verses say Micro-Mark at another price. I think most Chinese companies are smart enought to realize that quality demands a high price, while producing quality (verses crap) isn't all that expensive. <br /><br />We'll see though. If history tells us anything though, it's that there's room in the marine market for cheap off-brand outboards. Like Briggs, Eska, McCullough, Clinton, Oliver and the like.

 

[phatmanmike]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br /> It's not who assembles them, in my book. It's where the parent comapny is and where the dollars ultimately go.<br /><br />No Chinese (stolen technology) outboards on my transom, regardless of price.

exactly. does nobody else realize that the chinese are just gonna use that money you just spent on that "cheaper" good deal and make more missiles and make their army grow EVEN bigger till they come over here and eat you all alive?

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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And when the Chinese do come? You know what they will say? Huuummm taste like chicken.