Citgo Type C ??

[royal0014]

Johnson Super Seahorse Electramatic 40 hp RK-28B (1966)

Ok, so I've been having trouble with the electric shift slipping, generally not holding for much more than about half-throttle. You may have seen my other threads on the subject.

My question concerns Citgo L/U gearlube. Bought it at Academy Sports and Outdoors, $3.50/qt. It says for use in Type C applications. Anybody tried it?

From the bottle label: Citgo Supergaurd Marine Plus L/U Premium Gearlube.
Recommended for *All outboards *All Stern Drives * Type C Applications.

On the back it says : "For use in all outboard and sterndrive gear units specifying SAE 90, 80W-90 or 85W-90, including OMC Type C."

I've read here how sensitive the Electramatic can be to the right gearlube. Just wondering how good this Citgo stuff really is, and if I should consider swapping to another brand.

And here's a funny one: when I bought the stuff, Academy had 10 ounce tubes and quart bottles sitting side by side. Exact same label, two sizes, SAME PRICE!

Anyway, thanks for the help!

<<)))(((>>

 

[Daviet]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

I don't know anything about Citgo oil, don't even have any Citgo stations around here, but I don't think you can have one oil for all applications. I think I would drain and flush the system and fill it with the proper oil, type C.

 

[F_R]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

But does it specifically say for use in Electric Shift lower units? "OMC Type C" was used in ALL of their motors back then. Maks sure replacements say for electric shift.

 

[royal0014]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

Well, all it says about electric shifts, at the end of the "For Use In" statement is 'Certain older electric shift gearcase units require Dexron II (or III) fluid. Consult Owners manuel". It did not have Dexron in it when I got it, lube looked blueish-green, just like the Citgo stuff.

Did not know type c was in all OMC's. I was under the impression it was specific to electric shift. Thanks F _R


<<)))(((>>

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

Citgo makes BRP Premium Blend, which is the currrent BRP Type C product. The only thing that has my attention in regard to the bottle that you are looking at, is that it says "for all outboards." I wouldn't run a Type C fluid in many of today's outboards. Type C is an 80 weight oil and many of the new motors call for 90 weight Hi Vis.

You can buy Sierra brand Type C gear oil right here at iboats for an attractive price. I have seen it for less money through other sources, but most of them require you to buy a case of quart bottles to get that low price. IMO, paying a bit under a dollar more per quart, for the privilege of buying a single quart at a time, is well worth it. You can also buy 10 oz. bottles of the Sierra Type C at iboats.

If you want to use ATF, I recommend Pennzoil Multi-vehicle ATF. I recently did some pretty extensive research on this subject (and need to get off of my duff and publish the info here) and am now running it in my 1972 Johnson 65hp.

BTW, Type C was also used in the 33hp OMC motors, which are not electric shift. I'm also thinking that your 40hp "slipping" problems are not going to be solved with new gear oil. Unlike the hydro-electric models, your motor actually does have a clutch of sorts. If yours is slipping, its probably electric/mechanical in nature.


???

 

[royal0014]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

Good Morning JM

I don't figure different oil will solve my problem, either, esp. with my luck on mechanical objects. But........

Kinda moot point, since I currently am having carb issues anyway :redface:

Thanks for the reply


<<)))(((>>

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

Sierra also has the type C electric shift lower unit oil. BRP Premium Blend is getting really hard to find, even at the dealers. they do not sell enough to warrant stocking it.

http://www.downloadingfiles.co.uk/teleflexfiles/library/catalogs/sierra oil-09.pdf

SIERRA TYPE C GEAR LUBE QUART 18-9620-2

 

[ezeke]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

The correct oil has a viscosity rating of around 53. Any oil with a rating of 75-90 is not correct for the electric shift.

(OM/BRP has not called the electric shift oil "Type C" for many, many years; it's "Premium Blend" in Johnson/Evinrude land.)

See section 9 on page 5 here: http://www.ishopmarine.com/ishop-catalog/msdscat/BRP/Data_Sheets_PDFs/172819.pdf

BTW, the published rating for Hi Vis is 75-90, not just 90.

 

[royal0014]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

Thanks to all for the replies.

I bought the Citgo stuff 'cause it was cheap and available, and said type c. We all know how that usually works out.....

Gonna call the nearest JohnnyRude dealer this morning, see what they have. Thirty miles away.

Have to wait until Wednesday to work on the carb issue, hopefully just trash in the float needle. A buddy and I were planning a fishing trip on Thurs. Probably be the last time out this year, 'cause the lake level is dropping. Call me chicken, but I'm not risking winter pool levels!


<<)))(((>>

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

Don't assume that what you bought is "cheap," just because its Citgo. As I said, that is who makes BRP Premium Blend and I got that info straight from BRP.

The only reservation that I have, is the "all outboards" thing. I just don't see a Typc C fluid being recommended for all outboards. As long as you are cetain that it is Typc C, however, I think you are fine with what you have.



???

 

[ezeke]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

See Applications here: http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/465819.pdf

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: Citgo Type C ??

That chart tells the story. Type C, whether it is called that or Premium Blend, is not a GL4 or GL5 oil. Its also not 80-90 weight. Its really an "oddball" and the oil "techies" will tell you, that it doesn't follow any normal standard for rating oil. I don't why they are recommending tghis stuff as a Type C fluid, unless they mean non electric shift motors that used to use Type C.

What I am not sure about, however, is if the selectric type electric shift models (the ones one with a pair of clutch modules and a pair of springs), can use this stuff. I would not recommend it for any hydro-electric model, because of the need for the oil to act as a hydraulic fluid.

Another curiosity, is that some spec sheets will recommend an oil like this for OMC hydro-mechanical shift systems, but not hydro-electric. Since both rely on the oil as a hydraulic fluid, that does make sense to me.

At this point, my recommendation is to purchase some Sierra Type C oil from iboats. That way, you know that what you are putting in your grarcase, is really type C.



???