Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

tybouff

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Greetings everyone,

Here is the deal: I have a 1990 19' Bayliner Cobra fish and ski. The hull is glossy silver at the bottom and glossy black on the sides. The cap is supposed to be black metal flake (as in the example pic below). I recently bought a set of Maguires gel coat restoration products which included oxidation remove, polish, and wax. I followed the instructions to a T and the end result was disappointing. The hull was passable but the cap did not have anywhere near the deep shiny finish it should. Basically the kit worked on all surfaces that weren't metal flake. The oxidation remover worked, and I was able to see my reflection after polishing and waxing but the depth of color just wasn't there. Also, the metal flakes didn't seem to shine like they should. So I talked to a mechanic and he told me that I missed a step... he claimed that I needed to use a color restorer after the oxidation remover. Is this true? Will using a color restorer reveal the depth in the gel coat and will it bring out the metal flakes? Today, I tried using the product "Kwik Shine" and was very disappointed with the results. Yes, I stripped the wax off and deoxidized before applying the Kwik Shine. The Kwik Shine didn't even work on my Porsche phone dial rims. Does anybody have any information that can help me? I am sick of my boat looking like it does and I am doubting weather yet another compound will be the cure. Regards,
 

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salty87

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Re: Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

there are no short cuts. i like 3m rubbing compound and you must have a good buffer...not a random orbital. Finesse It is a great polish for after the compound. wax doesn't last terribly long so frequent waxing is more important than the brand.

sometimes wet sanding is also necessary. your pic is very small so it's hard to tell.

metal flake can be dicey. can you feel the metal flake when you run your hand over it?
 

Tail_Gunner

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Re: Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

You need to take this post to restoration....get a pen...write down comment's.....get a attack plan.....half rack of your favorate beverage...calm down.....it will be ok.....
 

Texasmark

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Re: Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

I didn't read any of this. Get a marine paint, Interlux for one, properly prepare your surfaces and paint them. If you are picky, spray them. If not brush them. I restored a 25 year old boat and painted the hull and 15 years later is was still very desirable.

When glass first came out and that was many 10's of years ago, I realized that, unlike automotive paint, gell coat could not tolerate sun. As a result I either bought a new boat or bought a boat from an owner that had enough pride to keep his gell coat out from under the sun. The boat I painted was an aluminum restoration, but the process adapts readily to glass. Just like trying to clear up lexan/plastic automotive lenses that have been exposed to the sun....it's a stop gap measure and never replicates the original. Sorry, facts are facts. Come on Boo Birds!!!!!!!

Mark
 

SteveMcD

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Re: Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

I felt your pain too. Until I heard the sole purpose of gelcote is to save the manufacturers $$$ on painting. It is sprayed into the mold first, then the rest of the boat. I am using interlux myself. It's a one part polyurethane that supposedly started out on 600mph aircraft. Almost bulletproof and mirrorlike finish. Now if I could only paint. I am the worlds carpiest painter, but she's getting there.
 

tybouff

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Re: Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

Thanks guys for the help. I am going to give 3m rubbing compound a shot and if that doesn't work, I will be content with "shiny faded paint" until I have the time and $ to actually repaint the thing. When I rub my hand across the surface, it feels smooth but dry. The unmolested sections where the gel was covered from the sun feel smooth and glassy. Again, thanks for all of your willingness to help. Regards,
 

tybouff

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Re: Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

I am also taking this post to restoration so don't be surprised if you see it again.
 

dingbat

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Re: Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

I didn't read any of this. Get a marine paint, Interlux for one, properly prepare your surfaces and paint them. If you are picky, spray them. If not brush them. I restored a 25 year old boat and painted the hull and 15 years later is was still very desirable.

My preference is for Ameron, but I agree fully.
 

Fireman431

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Re: Completely Fed Up & Frustrated With Restoring My Gel Coat!! Help... Please!!

I had mine painted with Imron and it came out beautiful. Rolling it on is just as effective as spraying, but you have to do the "roll & tip" method. The reason it works is because it takes so long for the paint to flash, it has plenty of time to flow out evenly. Mine has a mirror finish and never needs waxing.
 
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