Compression issues

cschaul1

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i just got back from completing a compression test on my engine. the port side cylinders all had below normal compression. it ranged from, i think, 35-110 or so. the starboard cylinders were around 120ish. on my port spark plugs there was some corrosion. the engine was rebuilt two years ago and has sat, unused, since that rebuild. i put a few squirts of oil in the cylinders to see if that would affect my compression at all and it didnt really do much of a difference, maybe 10-15% increased psi per cylinder. do you guys think i have valve issues or piston ring/cylinder wall issues? is rebuilding the only way to resolve both of these problems? thanks for any help<br />corey
 

Fishermark

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Re: Compression issues

Since the oil did not raise the compression much, I would suspect the valves - maybe even a combination of problems. If it hasn't even been run since it was rebuilt, then the rings haven't been set, etc.<br /><br />What do you know about the rebuild? If it has new cam and lifters, then you will need to break those in carefully as well -- if and when it starts. I would sugesst pulling the heads and seeing what's going on inside.
 

calwldlif

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Re: Compression issues

Very well could be stuck valves.<br />pull covers, inspect.<br />A 2 year old motor should have some use left.<br />A squirt or 2 of Marvel M O in the cyls<br />to soak rings, a brush on the valve stems,<br />check for rust on stems, a visual check of<br />valve train movement, crossed fingers and<br />toes, when all else fails a whack with a hammer :)
 

cschaul1

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Re: Compression issues

though the engine is freshly rebuilt, my concern is that the corrosion that is on the port side plugs has trashed the rings and cylinder linings. i am really new to all of this stuff so my terminology and comprehension may be a little off. if the valves are stuck can i just remove all components from the engine and take apart the head to get a look? does the engine have to be removed from the boat? i dont really have much knowledge about the rebuild just that it was rebuilt. i dont know to what extent. with this low compression can the engine still fire? i guess my course of action should be to first get it to fire if it is possible so that i know that everything else works and then dig in to the engine to try to resolve that if everything else works properly.
 

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Re: Compression issues

With corrosion on the plugs, your best bet would be to pull both heads and look at things and assess the damage. If you try to run it the way it is, you could damage the block. <br />Look first, may be a little more work now, but a lot of money saved.
 

cschaul1

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Re: Compression issues

i suppose you are right. i am going to have to find a place where i can do this. when i take it apart what should i look for? am i looking to see how corroded the insides are? if indeed they are corroded, what should be done? thanks for the help
 

Don S

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Re: Compression issues

You look for everything and anything out of the ordinary.
 

Don S

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You look for everything and anything out of the ordinary.
 

cschaul1

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Re: Compression issues

don i have just read a bunch of other posts which are somewhat similar. i saw a post where you mentioned that unless you open the throttle entirely, the results from a compression test are useless. should i go back and retest with the throttle open? why does the throttle need to be open and how does it affect the results?
 

calwldlif

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Re: Compression issues

"if the valves are stuck can i just remove all components from the engine and take apart the head to get a look?"<br />Yes you can remove the head.<br /><br />"does the engine have to be removed from the boat? "<br />For heads removal, I doubt it. Only you know if<br />there is physical room.<br /><br />"i guess my course of action should be to first get it to fire"<br />Not a good idea. First try to restore the compression. <br /><br />If it were me.......<br />Visually inspect valve train for proper<br />movement. Free any sticky valves, determine<br />cause of stick, soak valve stems with oil,<br />clean stems. Generally inspect condition.<br />Soak pistons with oil, MMO, kerosine.<br />Let stand 24 hours.<br />Once I verify valves are free, piston rings<br />well soaked, crank engine with plugs out<br />placing clean rag against spark plug holes.<br />inspect rag for dirt, crud, color of oil.<br />add more oil to cyl soak, repeat clean rag<br />test to determine when crud has been blown out.<br />Do compression check. With and without oil to determine if rings or valves are leaking. If compession has been somewhat restored, do min tune up to assist in starting. New Plugs fresh gas with<br />MMO in 5 gallon container.<br />Start motor, run at 1500rpms to 2200rpms,<br />hoping rings will reseat and hone in.<br /><br />Or remove and rebuild engine. If you have the <br />time, money, skill the ideal thing would be<br />rebuild.<br />I personelly would try to free up things and<br />restore compression. If I can't or things I found<br />were bad, then pull head,(have it checked and <br />rebuild. check cyl walls for score, wear, rust.<br />Might get away with just a valve job.
 

cschaul1

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Re: Compression issues

sounds like fun!! haha well i guess i am going to be diving into the deep end pretty soon. thank you for the systematic procedure post. it should really help out when the time comes.<br />corey
 
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