Cost of owning a old boat' rant

1stgenbird

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Re: Cost of owning a old boat' rant

I look at in that if you bought a newer (more expensive) boat that was possibly more reliable and still only used it a few times a year, how much would those boat trips cost? I know if I paid big money for a boat, I would feel obligated to use it more and if I couldn't then it would go up for sale then I would be boatless...until I bought a cheap old boat.
 

Jeep Man

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Re: Cost of owning a old boat' rant

Boating is only expensive if you can't afford it. I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but if I find it's biting into the necessities of life, or affecting my families needs, it's gone. An acquantance recently picked up an '05 Sea Ray 235 that had 15 hrs on it and was on it's second tank of gas. Figure the cost per hour of use for the PO of that one. Expensive for me but not for him.
 

Mark42

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I boat within my means. Both my boats are 100% paid for, and no loans were needed. Yes, one is a 1965, the other is a 1985, but they affordable, fun projects, and I had a budget set to modify or restore the boats as I chose. It also helps to 'bide your time'. AKA don't run out and buy everything you want all at once, just get what you need, the extras can come as the savings build.

Its not hard to stay in your budget, especially if you refuse to put things on an equity loan or credit cards.

It also pays to make a plan for your boating hobby. List everything you need, everything you want, shop the online stores, get the prices, and buy in bundles from the supplier that can send the most at the best price for the lowest shipping. I typically order from the same three different suppliers, and always end up with considerable savings over piece-meal ordering from premium suppliers like West Marine and the like.

This is Microsoft Project, and it is designed to track projects. I use it because its perfect for these kind of projects, but you can use a spreadsheet even Word. The point is to create categories, sub entries for detail items, the price, an links to the part online so it is easy to see if the price is rising or dropping. I often list the same part from two or three different suppliers, so when putting together an order, it might save more in shipping to buy a part from a supplier that charges a few dollars more than others. Especially if they offer free shipping on orders over $100, or fixed shipping costs (only one place I know does this, $7 for ANY order). This takes a little time, but I guarantee you that if you organize your project, it will cost less, progress better, have fewer mistakes, and a better looking boat.

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jonesg

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Re: Cost of owning a old boat' rant

$54 a day?
Those of us with 60 gal gas tanks just smile.

And those who think buying a new boat means you don't have to do any work to it just haven't learned how to maintain it yet.;)
or realize you need to upgrade those puny factory installed bilge pumps (singular no less).
 

dlngr

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I remember I paid 1k for my boat.The rest of the math,facts and figures,how many times I use it,how much cost per use,haven't a clue!
 

sasto

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The more you learn and know about your boat, and boating, the more maintenance and work you will put into it, which all cost more money. I hope your investment pays off for you. I will take the memories of boating with friends, family, and self, to the grave. There won't be any money left.

Hopefully your maint. expenses will go up and your repair expences go down. Happy Boating.
 

Stachi

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Re: Cost of owning a old boat' rant

$54 a day?
Those of us with 60 gal gas tanks just smile.

And those who think buying a new boat means you don't have to do any work to it just haven't learned how to maintain it yet.;)
or realize you need to upgrade those puny factory installed bilge pumps (singular no less).

us guys with 30 gallon tanks are smirking too !...lol :D
 

dwco5051

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Re: Cost of owning a old boat' rant

If $54 is too much to spend for a day's enjoyment you should talk to someone that owns an airplane. After hearing about general aviation costs you will build an alter in your drive besides that boat and worship it daily. :) :)
 

Sparkinator

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Boating is pretty cheap to me. It's kind of like what my brother said about the price of Copenhagen, "It's almost priced up to what it's worth." and "and if they only knew how much I WOULD pay." If they only knew how much I WOULD pay to see the smile on my kids face and the pride they have in me for taking the time to get them out on the water, then maybe it would be priced what it was worth.

I've never seen anything that can bring everyone in my house together like a boat.
Just my 2 cents.
 

bonz_d

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$54.00 a day, hhmmm. I know here in Wisconsin that is cheaper than keeping a person in prison. I certainly get much more enjoyment and use out of my boat than I do paying for that prisoner!
 

soaringhiggy

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If $54 is too much to spend for a day's enjoyment you should talk to someone that owns an airplane. After hearing about general aviation costs you will build an alter in your drive besides that boat and worship it daily. :) :)

I sold my plane (this was not an expensive plane), which was a 48 tail dragger, bought a used boat and now the kids and wife like to go with me. Best change of hobby I ever did. The cost per day is about the same, but the time with my family is so much more pleasurable.
 

jbjennings

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I find that aluminum boats with small engines are pretty easy on the pocketbook to get used. The bigger fiberglass boats with big motors are always very expensive to own. I cringe when I see the guys in my area with $20-40,000$ bass rigs and 150-300hp motors on them. If someone gave me a brand new one, I doubt I could go boating very often just due to the cost of fuel. I stick to 65hp motors and below, and am very happy. My latest boat purchase was a 16ft fiberglass boat with a 65hp merc from 1975. I purchased it for $400 non-running. The trailer was in great shape, the boat not bad. The motor had good spark, good compression, and no water in the lower unit. I had it up and running great for about $50, and still use it regularly. I've run about a dozen 6gal. tanks through it.
My point is, I think the cost of boating goes up far higher when you own a boat with 90hp or higher. If you're not handy, triple the cost.
Inboards I think are also more expensive to repair and maintain than outboards.
Motors more than 5 years old are not for people that don't have skills with tools. I think if a person can't work on their engine, that a new engine would be cheaper to own than an old one in the long run. WHat makes boating even more expensive is that boats depreciate much faster than a car or truck.
I like to get on the lake cheaply, too!!:)
JBJ
 

dingbat

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Re: Cost of owning a old boat' rant

Spent yesterday fishing the Chesapeake Bay with three old freinds. We took a freinds boat and I still spent $61 on beer and munchies. Our fuel bill for the day was double that amount. Even splitting the cost up between 4 guys we still spent more than your $54 a day.

Got away very cheap. Had we chatered a boat it would had cost us $750 plus for the day.
 

Av8nBill

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Bought my first actual boat last year (had a couple JetSkis before, and, no I wasn't one of "those guys") - a 1960 Monark 14' Jon with a 1983 Sea King motor and trailer for $800. Motor lasted 3 1/2 trips, cost another $150 to find out there are no parts available to fix it. Bought a 2006 Tohatsu motor that had never been in the water for $1600. I've probably sunk another $300-500 into miscellaneous upgrades and replacement parts. I think we've had it out a total of about 10 times so far.

That works out to around $300 an outing and it doesn't bother me in the least. The wife and I don't put a price on our peace of mind, and being able to shut the phones off and enjoy nature. Any fish for dinner is just a bonus.

We're planning to use it a lot more often now that we have a motor we can count on so the cost per trip will drop dramatically too. But, honestly, until I read this thread it never occured to me to look at the numbers. We're not wealthy if all you look at are our paychecks/tax returns but wouldn't trade our lifestyle for more money or "things". Like the commercials say: some things are just priceless.
 

CheapboatKev

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Re: Cost of owning a old boat' rant

I'll be out later today on my 2nd cheap boat..
My little 14 foot Lonestar (200 bucks) with my 7.5 Gamefisher (100 bucks)
I will spend 5 bucks at the launch, and get a million dollar sheep eating grin on my face as I enjoy my day
 

115johnson78

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I picked up my boat about three years ago, 1978 17' Invader BR with a 1978' Johnson 115 for $1,950. boated about three or for times and then the probs. started, it needed this and that and this and that until last fall the motor crashed, so mid of the summer i finally saved enough doe for a replacement $2,800 for a 1981 Johnson 115 that had been rebuilt. First time out the motor dropped a cyl. got that fixed and she runs good. so i have spent a 4,500 plus.

so lets add 1.950+2,800+ misc. parts= FAMILY FUN THAT WILL LAST A LIFETIME.

Break
Out
A
Thousand
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happy boating to all.
 

jay_merrill

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First, if you worry about every dime that you put into something, a boat is the last thing you should have bought. Second, if you think $54 for each day of use is expensive, take a pack of kids to the movies - between the tickets and the snacks, you'll think 54 bucks is a bargain!

Here's another view of the used boat situation, though. I am a photographer and spend more money on my cameras/accessories, than I do on my boats. A boat is a well used tool to me. That's not to say that I don't use them for pleasure, but I am more interested in utility.

My current boat was purchased about 6 years ago. It was in the "junk section" of a local boat/motor sales business. The reason why it was with the junk boats, is because someone rebuilt the transom in a way that made it look like the back of it had been cut out. It hadn't - what they did was to cut the very back of the cap off, in order to open up the transom from above. It was closed after replacing the interior wood, by glassing from the splash well, over the transom and then down the back of it. It was the obvious presence of glass down the back of the transom that made it look like the back was cut out.

The owner of the sales business, wanted $1,500 for the boat and it was obvious that he threw that number out, even though he was going to junk it, just because I expressed interest. I left, went to the bank to withdraw $500 and then returned with an offer for the 500. As you have probably already guessed, I got the boat for $500. I bought it because it is a trihull (very stable & good for photography), because it was structurally sound and because it had a pair of aluminum saddle tanks in it, that were/are worth every bit of what I paid for the boat.

Once I got the boat, I completely rewired it, cleaned the tanks, installed all new fuel lines, and valved them to a fuel/water separator. I also installed a line to the forward deck, so that I can use one or more aux tanks. Added to this, was a completely new steering system. Total cost of the upgrades, was about another $500.

The story of my current motor is a similar situation. It is a 1972 Johnson 65hp model, which I bought for $400. It was very sound mechanically (hardly used, in fact), so I put about another $1,500 into it. That was five years ago and the motor as been extremely reliable, with the exception of one incident, which happened before I got around to rebuilding the ignition system.

So, I have boat/motor combination that has been heavily used for quite awhile. Other than routine maintenance items, all of which have been relatively inexpensive, I have a total of about $3,000 in the boat. I use it frequently, sometimes as much as 3 -4 times a week. I think nothing of running the boat over a hundred miles in a day and I use it periodically, for volunteer search and rescue/recovery missions with local authorities.

My boat is old, ugly and sometimes the source of jokes at the launch. Its also one of the best uses of money that I have ever engaged in. It runs every time I turn the key and it carries my cameras and I, to where I need to go. While I do keep track of maintenance and fuel/oil costs in general, I have never even bothered to do the math, to come up with a daily expense figure. All things considered, its sure to be pretty low.

My point in all of this, is that used boats must be approached with enough knowledge to keep from buying a hunk of junk and they need to be purchased with an understanding of their potential costs. If done correctly, however, a used boat purchase can be a bargain - especially when you consider the typical cost of a new boat of any given length and/or engine size.



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115johnson78

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Re: Cost of owning a old boat' rant

Second, if you think $54 for each day of use is expensive, take a pack of kids to the movies - between the tickets and the snacks, you'll think 56 bucks is a bargain!



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Tell me about it.:D I have a family of 4 kids(5 if you add the wife) and when we go to dinner and movie it about 100 bucks. Family time is priceless when everyone is enjoying it.:)
 

jay_merrill

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Tell me about it.:D I have a family of 4 kids(5 if you add the wife) and when we go to dinner and movie it about 100 bucks. Family time is priceless when everyone is enjoying it.:)

Yup, it is. I didn't get into "the kid business," until I was in my 50s. I have been raising a child who will be 5 next week, since he was a baby and he now has a half brother in his life. The two of them are "terrorizing" the little one's room right now, in fact!

We're going to see "Cats and Dogs" at the local theatre this afternoon and we will be out in the boat tomorrow, pulling my traps to get a bunch of "crabbies." The crab expedition will be the least expensive of the two, I'm sure!



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