creation science vs. evolution

mellowyellow

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read an article where some schools are actually<br />bowing to pressure from the religious right and<br />are going to include creation science along with<br />evolution as part of their cirriculum. :confused: <br />basically "creation science" says that the earth<br />has evolved in only 6,000 yrs. and it was not<br />random, rather was created by a higher power.<br />it also states that evolution is not a sound<br />scientific theory. <br />is it just me or this this not only ludicrous<br />and not scientific whatsoever, but goes against<br />putting religion into public funded schools?<br /><br />this has not come up anywhere around here that I <br />know of, but was wondering if any of you have<br />dealt with this in your school district.
 

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If you are going to teach one than you should teach the other and let people make up there own minds as to what they want to beleive
 

POINTER94

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MY,<br /><br />Politics and religion at the same time. <br />,<br />,<br />,<br />,,<br />,,<br />,<br />,<br />,<br />,,<br />,<br />,<br />,<br />,<br />,<br />,<br />Check please... :)
 

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Re: creation science vs. evolution

there's a group of people who also believe in<br />"intellegent design", except they think aliens<br />were the creators... should we teach this also<br />while were at it?
 

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Creationism is not science. Neither is the theory of evolution…very heavy emphases on ‘theory’…actually, there is only ‘theory’…and nothing more. Evolution is faith based, without support, and in the end even Darwin didn’t believe in it. Based on what we do know about biology, it is not possible for evolution to exist. The mathematical probability of anything evolving extends beyond the realm of reason…but not possibility. There is more evidence to support flying saucers than the ‘idea’ that life forms have the ability to evolve.<br /><br />It is less about what you “believe” and more about what you choose to ignore.
 

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Controversial topic. I think part of the problem is that people now a days are tending to lump science with the liberal left. As a r winger, I disagree. If creation "science" has merit, THEN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WILL ACCEPT IT. Pure science does not have an agenda, and trudges towards "the truth". Individuals and organizations might have an agenda but are proven wrong with time like the ideas of Aristotle.<br />Rabbit, I disagree. There is overwhelming evidence and basis for evolution.
 

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Originally posted by tylerin:<br />
except they think aliens<br />were the creators...
Hey! Spinner's not here to defend himself ;)
Thanks tylerin for having my back here.<br />I have yet to see any technology here on Earth that even comes close to their's.<br />Sure people jest about ailens and you know why?<br />Because they know they are real and they are out there.<br />I had better shut up now for I have said more than I should have.<br />If you want more info, ask OBJ. He has seen them also.
 

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ditto SCO, the theory of evolution has an enourmous<br />amount of scientic proof and physical proof.<br />Charles Darwin first published "the origion of<br />species" in 1859. scientists have proven this<br />theory again and again in the last 150yrs.<br /><br />this non-scientific theory stems from the literal<br />translation of the bible. Genisis says god created<br />the world in 6 days, so it must be true. this is<br />so narrow minded, it is ridiculous. they claim<br />the earth is really only 6,000 yrs. old and that<br />the grand canyon was formed in 1 day by the great<br />flood. I just can't believe school boards will<br />actually teach this as science?
 

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SCO,I quote......"Rabbit, I disagree. There is overwhelming evidence and basis for evolution."<br /><br />Truth be told there is large sections of importiant information missing from the theroy of evolution. There is no doubt that Micro evolution happens but when it comes to macro evolution it takes alot of um...."faith" to put your trust in that theory. Its like saying if you took 100million tons of tnt and put it under a junkyard and blew it up, it would be possable for it to come down into the form of a 747 airplane.And thats just the begining. Quite a theory. For those of you who dont believe in the Bible it is prolly quite a stretch to believe a higher being created the world but for those of us who do and spend some time researching this it makes more sense then evolution.Now as for teaching evolution in school.....Its not proven but we all(at least most) know it was presented to us in a way to make it seem like this IS what happened. hmmmmmmmm. If the scientific community was serious about finding the truth I believe there would be more then just 1 theory that hasnt been proven in many many years yet.
 

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Mike, I think I can discuss any bit of it with you, but it is an emotional issue because it contradicts a literal intrepretation of the bible. I do not desire to nor do I have disrespect for anyones personal religous belief or understanding of the universe/life etc. That said I think the 747 analogy is flawed. Life started simple and moved to complex driven by the energy of the sun and the forces of competition. A billion+ years were spent on the evolution of single cell critters. The 747's didn't happen overnight. What gaps do you mean that are missing. I can address those.
 

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I am not sure where everybody is getting that evolution is an unproven science. I mean, when someone carbon dates a dinosaur skeleton to several million years ago, when they carbon date a human skeleton to tens of thousands of years ago, doesn't that kinda sorta put a damper in the whole "created 6000 years ago" thing? What about the mapping of the human genome? Maybe evolution isn't 100% understood, but the facts are still there, that living things have come and gone on this earth over a period of millions and millions of years. They have evolved to survive, the weak dies off, the strong persist. Religion has only existed since the time that humans started wondering what was after death. All religion is is the basic human desire for there to be more after death than the lights just going out and nothingness taking over. Religion exists to make people feel better about what is happening around them. For some, a tornado is just a weather occurance that killed their entire family. For others, a tornado is Gods Will, and that it was time for God to take that family. I personally do not believe there is one omnipotent being that waved his hand and all was created, but I also have no problem with a person believing in something. I tell you, if there were to be a God, he must be pretty disappointed right now, considering humans, his creation, have done the most unspeakable attrocities to themselves, all in the name of religion. Ethnic cleansing, the Holocaust, 9/11, the list goes on and on. I tell you, I have seen countless amounts of proof about evolution and the way nature works, but I have seen no proof of God. Faith doesn't cut it for me, I want it where I can see it. <br /><br />My opinion on creational science? It isn't a science, keep it out of school. Teach the facts at school, and for those who are religious, teach creational science in sunday school.
 

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I concede it is flawed but I only used it as a um.... anology cuz of lack of a better one in my head at the time. ;) I guess what Im tring to say is it is possable for it to happen but for this unlikley occurance(macro evolution, meaning starting with a dinosaur and ending up with a bird) to happan over and over and over succesfully takes as much faith and belief in the unseen as anybody who believes in what the bible says.oh and jason carbon dating is not an exzact science....its not proven 100% past 10,000 years hmmmmmmmm. 10,000yrs...... according to creation science the world is from 7000+/- to 10000+/- yrs old.
 

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Just so this doesnt go "Believers vs the nonbelievers", I point out that the Catholic Church believes in evolution , as the mechanism of creation(need a Catholic to confirm). As soon as this goes "Believers vs the Nonbelievers", I'm out of here.<br /><br />Mike, the macro part is the easy part. I dont get what you mean about the over and over part, but skin a cat, dog , sheep, rat, bird, and fundamentally they have the same parts just longer , shorter, specialized differently, modified. Take a wild ram and give it to humans utilizing artificial natural selection and soon you have sheep that cant jump over a 2 foot stone wall. Take your wolf and you get a toy poodle. Zebras are almost horses but arent, horse and donkey can mate, but the mule can't reproduce.. In the wild separation of creatures by distance or barrier allows the genetic mix of what were once a single population af animals to mix and match and recombine and change within that new isolated population such that new species have to arise. Thats the point about the donkey. Horse can mate with it, but no viable offspring, a different species... were once the same but have been separated genetically too long. All examples of how it works.
 

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Ok all I can say is if your Christian you should believe what the bible says. I dont want to sound like Im talking bad about somebodys beliefs but I guess the Chatholic church is picks and chooses what it want s to believe about the bible if that is true about them thinking evolution is the truth. :(
 

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perhaps god's days are just longer than ours M&R.<br />perhaps evolution was god's plan all along and<br />although it looks totally by chance to us, he<br />knew exactly how it would play out over billions<br />of years. why does belief in evolution mean you<br />don't believe in a creative power?
 

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Well mellowyellow I guess I have to look at the bible as the truth and take it for face value. I think its easy to to say I believe in creation but I think it was writen wrong or we just dont get how it really went down, such as Gods days are longer or evolution is Gods design. If one can tweak the bible to fit there beliefs about creation then why not other parts of the bible? This is a area I struggled with when I became a Christian so thats why this conversation is interesting for me. I tryed to convince myself with the same things you just brought up but I have to come back to God intended for every word in the Bible to be there for us to read and belive. Why wouldnt he just tell us it took such and such years to happen.I was fortionute enough to become very good friends with my Pastor( who teaches at many churches accross the world) and though hours of talking he showed me many things which alas, Im not as good as he is at explaining.<br /><br />SCO correct me if Im wrong but Micro evolution is where wolves become poodles and Macro evolution is where one species becomes a different one.
 

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Although I personally believe in Creation, I don't think it should be taught in a public school. I firmly believe in separation of church and state.
 

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It's blatantly obvious to me that evolution and creation both exist. ;)
 
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