creation science vs. evolution

[rolmops]

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I have no respect for anybody who is arrogant enough to think or believe that they understand even the slightest beginning of what G-d is all about.Every time they claim something cannot be because that is the way it is written, they just try to bring the creator down to a level that they themselves can understand.

 

[SoulWinner]

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The Bible says it, I believe it, 'nuff said.

 

[ChrisMcLaughlin]

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Wilkin250r,<br />Put your money where your mouth is!!!<br />Send me all the money you have that is printed with the words "In God We Trust". I am not religous, but I don't care if anyone else is.<br />My interpritation of separation of church and state is that the state will not set up and run a religion. Unfortunately, it has EVOLVED, into something else

 

[mattttt25]

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good post jason.

 

[mikeandronda]

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Rolmops are you saying that Im arrogant becuase I have beliefs? All Im saying is I have spent alot of time thinking about this and THIS is what I have come up with. I believe in what the bible says and one thing it does say is for us to not add or take away anything from the word so......if its arrogance to beleive that the bible tells the truth , I guess your right I am arrogant.

 

[gaugeguy]

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Yep, I agree Jason. Skeletons have been found that are millions of years old, maybe not homosapien, but pretty close.

 

[mellowyellow]

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glad to see us all playing nice in the sandbox <br />the question at hand, beliefs aside, is should any<br />group be able to force their ideas into our public<br />schools?

 

[mikeandronda]

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Gauge guy how do they know they are millons of years old....If it Carbon dating remember its not proven to be accurete after 10,000 years.

 

[18rabbit]

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Rabbit, I disagree. There is overwhelming evidence and basis for evolution.

Absolutely zero. Zippo. None. Evolution remains a “theory” because no support of any kind to substantiate it has ever been found. And as stated, from our understanding of biology, it is not possible for something to evolve. <br /><br />

There is no doubt that Micro evolution happens

There is every doubt. It is not unusual to confuse ‘micro-mutation’, something that happens all the time and can even be engineered, with ‘microevolution’, something that has never been seen.<br /><br />There are over 4000 mutations that happen in people, from cleft lip to spinal scoliosis. Every single mutation is detrimental to the survivability of the species. It would be erroneous to confuse mutations with evolution.<br /><br />Jason – your comments on evolution are exactly the unproven “theory” that is marketed as fact throughout the whole of higher education. Highly educated scientists involved in various fields of academia have been ostracized when they challenged the theory of evolution as baseless. That you would accept evolution without a second thought is understood. If you watch the programming on any of the cable science channels you be told, back-to-back, that this animal evolved or that animal evolved…everything evolved.<br /><br />There is absolutely no evidence that anything evolved. If there were, all major religion would collapse overnight.<br /><br />Recent ventures into human DNA obliterated the timeline for the theory of monkey-to-man evolution. The ‘split’ would have to have occurred something like 5-million years before what was previously thought…and neither the animal nor the environment was available in the new timeline.<br /><br />Btw, personally, I have not written off evolution. However, I am keeping an open mind, and there just isn’t anything there yet to support the theory. I wish there was. If it exists, it would sure answer a lot of unanswered questions.

 

[mikeandronda]

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Ok question for you 18rabbit......wouldnt a mutation that is transfered through breeding be considered micro evolution if a changed species occured from it such as the way desert animals have "changed" over years to be able to exsist in a hostile enviroment? I guess this is what I ment by micro evolution. Inthe theory of evolution and creation mankind began in one place and over the yrs be it milloins or thousands we spred out over the world and through our enviroment have had to adapt to survive. do I think we are related to an ameba? NO, but do I have ancestors in africa,south america, russia ect...ect.... I believe i do.

 

[gaugeguy]

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Originally posted by mikeandronda:<br />Gauge guy how do they know they are millons of years old....If it Carbon dating remember its not proven to be accurete after 10,000 years.

I'm not a physicist by a long shot, but I know dinosaurs didn't walk the earth 10,000 years ago. Radiometric dating I think can go back further than carbon dating.<br /><br />I believe in creationism it's just hard to get a grasp on it when the bible says the earth and everything on it was created in 6 days. Especially when science is saying something a whole lot different.

 

[mikeandronda]

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I dont know anything about that Gauge guy........Wow all this scientific talk on a boat forum.....who'd a thunk?

 

[SCO]

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M&R, <br />I don't know all the lingo people use now a days. I studied this stuff in detail 25 years ago, and generally follow the debate. If you dont believe in macro evolution, take a look at Darwins finches and investigate what it was that created a heretic out of a religous man(in his time). Dont stop there, get a text on comparative anatomy, genetics, embryology, microbiology, etc, etc. <br />Here's one" Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny", sounds stuffy but powerful and compelling part to understanding why these evolutionists believe in what they believe. Archaeology is an eye opener. Geology helps, how long does it take for the apalachin mountains to wear down, did india ram into the continent creating the himilayas, why does south america and africa and other earth parts fit together like a jig saw puzzle? What made the mid atlantic ridge, and how long does continental drift take. Why is australia and nearby he only place on earth to have mammel types long extinct(via fossil record) in other parts of the world? Why are the simplest bacteria anaerobic, and more complex bacteria aerobic? <br />My interest in this was sparked in high school. In my fundamental literal interpretation Baptist sunday school class, the teacher took the standard "evolution of man" chart to class and everyone laughed at it as ridiculous. I didn't understand it either, but, appreciated that they and I were too ignorant to be able to reject what was on the chart.

 

[mellowyellow]

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zealots will only "intrepet" the bible when it<br />suits their needs. it may be scientifically<br />imposible to prove carbon dating 100% accurate<br />beyond 10K yrs, but other than a few verses in<br />genisis, what proof do you have for intellegent<br />design? you want me to have blind faith, but you<br />are certainly not willing to do the same?<br />again I ask that we put our beliefs aside here<br />and answer why we should let ANY sect of society<br />muscle schools into changing their longstanding<br />cirriculum?<br /><br />this is yet another errosion of personal freedom<br />in this country. we had better wake/stand up B4<br />it's too late.

 

[rwise]

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Now we all know we were colonized here! So both are wrong!

 

[mikeandronda]

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I agree with you on the school thing Mellowyellow but on the the debate of creation v.s. evolution im not buying into something that is just a unproven theory.If anybody could prove the creation theory wasnt true it would have crushed all belief in the bible years and years ago. So I guess thats why there is this belief but. .....Just cuz I believe my Bible doesnt mean Im a Zealot.It would be like me saying because you dont you must be a heathen and a bad person. How come those who dont believe in the Bible love to throw names around at those who do...... Even before his death darwin who came up with the theory of evolution and believed it to be true, said before its is taught in schools it should be further studied but alas it has not gone any farther in being proven. I just checked on radiometric and carbon dating and they are both simalar in the fact after 10,000 or so years it is not an exzact science meaning we can not for sure determine how fast raidioactive material or carbon breaks down after that time so in esence its just a theory. Oh and I think we should alway challange what our schools are teaching our kids....esspesally if its not proven to be true.Every year what schools teach changes as knoledge on subjects grow. At one time it was taught the earth was flat......I guess its a form of evolution

 

[JoeW]

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Oh boy!! What a topic Shall I dive right in?....Okay.<br /><br />For the record, I believe in God as our maker and supreme being. I believe that Jesus was the son of God and that he died for my sins. I believe in the Bible as it is the most accurate recording of ancient history that we have.<br /><br />I don't believe in the literal translation of the Bible. Why? Although the Bible was devinely inspired, it was written by man. Men are imperfect beings. If that were not true, we would have no sin. <br /><br />We all tend to think in terms of images. How many of us can hold in our heads images of more than 3 or 4 objects at the same time? I can't. It is impossible for anyone to hold the images of one million objects at one time. Therefore the concept of million, or billion is at best an abstract thing. We can prove mathematically that a million things exist even though we cannot see a million things. Imagine what a difficult concept a "million" must have been to those who's world could be defined within a twenty mile radius around the spot from which they were born.<br /><br />Was the world created in six days? That depends on what you call a day. We define a day as a single rotation of the earth about its axis. But, what about before the earth was created? How long is a day when there is no earth to define it? Could it be a million years? But, what is a million?<br /><br />Those who wrote down the word of God in the bible were devinely inspired, and they did the best they could as men. Alas, the Bible is still not perfect. If it were, it would need no translation and this discussion would not exist. No, the Bible is not perfect and neither is science. <br /><br />It's true that pure science has no agenda, but men do. Consider the Big Bang theory. Many physicists don't like it because at the instant just before the bang, all of the physical laws that were used to define this theory break down. How can all of the matter in the universe fit in a single point in space that has no volume (called the singularity)? As Stephen Hawking put it "It smacks of devine intervention." For that reason, scientists continue to seek other theories to explain the current expansion and mass of our universe. There are none so blind...<br /><br />I believe that through a form of what we know as evolution, God gave us a brain. I believe that he intented for us to use it to try to understand our universe and ourselves. That takes time and lots of it. So much time in fact, that no one person can realize it in their lifetime. The Bible is God's way of giving us a shortcut to understanding some of the key elements and issues that we need to understand in order to live our lives while here on earth, while we are learning for ourselves.<br /><br />My opinion: go ahead and teach creationism in school. Teach science too. But, make sure that children understand that both are man's feable attempt to understand a devine work (our universe) that may be beyond our ability to completely understand.

 

[JoeW]

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Oh... and by the way...I think they should teach fishing too!<br />

 

[mikeandronda]

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I am in 100% agreeance on that Joe

 

[mellowyellow]

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perhaps some of us are more evolved than others<br />spiritually. we as humans want to feel in control.<br />random events are hard for us to comprehend...<br />taking the bible literally word for word is yet<br />another attempt at blocking out random events.<br />best example I can come up with for man's short-<br />comings in these situations is the keeping of time.<br />we just made it up and it is totally inaccurate<br />as evidenced by this past leap day. yet, when<br />u are asked the time, you have no doubt you are<br />100% accurate.