Crownline questions. Love the boats.

jkust

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Re: Crownline questions. Love the boats.

Quality and value are two different measures. Chapparral offers more ammenities than other builders for a compareable price. That is value. More ammenities doesn't make the quality better. In my opinion quality is a measure of the design, how well the design is implemented and how well the boat stands up over time.

The reason I rated Chap low on quality is the bad taste I had in my mouth after looking at the new pickel fork/Widetech boats at a boat show last year.

Well, I will agree with you on the widetech design. The boating magazines seem to like them and the outside the box thinking (ignoring the fact ski boats have had this for a long time) but I do not care for the look. And besides that, I never know how much bias is built into any particular article. I never see a boating mag say that a boat just wasn't decent. I think the value proposition is a relatively easy one to assess which hopefully should include some discussion of resale but the quality side seems to be more difficult to really assess in real life ( I say this having driven an 84 Bayliner since new which by all accounts should have imploded years ago but was a great value). Other than the showroom Glastron and the Stingrays I looked at, most boats seemed to have quality. Those two boats had suprisingly similar issues to the problems you saw on the Widetechs and one even uses VEC. I think the Glastron was just a bad example of a decent boat and the Stingray was about what I would expect at the price point. This whole discussion is really subjective though. I sought the best value/most ammenities/high resale reputation/good quality reputation here in my local market which is dominated by lower end boats mostly made by Brunswick. It probably wasn't that hard to be impressed. At the end of the day though all that time, effort and energy I put into picking the right boat probaly went to waste. Neigher my wife or kids care about what boat we are in as long as it is decent. I could have just as easily bought a nice looking newer Bayliner and we would have still had fun. I do like getting nice comments at the launches but again that is just ego but does contribute a little to the experience. Lots of the Brunswick and other brand owners have come up to me to see a Chaparral because they are so uncommon here.
 

RotaryRacer

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Re: Crownline questions. Love the boats.

This whole discussion is really subjective though. I sought the best value/most ammenities/high resale reputation/good quality reputation here in my local market...


Yup. You and I are on the same page.

The list I put together was a laymens attempt at giving a new boater an idea of where some of the more popular brands land on the quality vs. cost scale.

Cosumer Reports and the like only can test so many boats and of course they pick only the most popular brands that often don't include the brands we are discussing. Even if they did test every boat there would still be anamolies.
 

bliss

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Re: Crownline questions. Love the boats.

Had a 21" C-line w/ a 350 ci Merc. Zero problems.I operated in rougher than average conditions. It weighed a bit more than some of the boats mentioned here so only went in the high 40s while others would do 4 or 5 mph more in optimal conditions but, when in 2' plus they couldn't take the ride.
 

superpop

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I guess I do not understand what makes a Cobalt worth so much more than a Chaparral, I went over both brands with a fine tooth comb and could find no discernible differences between the two other than the price. Both use higher end upholstery, both use the same drive set ups and fiberglass lay up/specs are very similar. Electronics are very comparable with both using higher end gauge packs and breaker type circuits vs the standard fuse box. All stainless fittings and all high end finishes. I am biased based on my decision but I think the Chaparrals offer a lot of value for the money and they do have deck boats as well.
 
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DJ

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There is nothing wrong with Chap's. They have a good reputation.

Cobalt does too, a very good one.

Buy what you want, nobody has the right to criticize you for it.
 

bliss

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--- and you would think their warrantee service would be superb. My dockmate (in SE WI) had blisters early on and the Cobalt factory repaired them and tried to stick him with the trip to the factory. They might as well subed the work out to Palmer Johnson and saved the trip. They backed off after some sword rattling.
 

RotaryRacer

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Buy what you want, nobody has the right to criticize you for it.

Amen. And I hope that no one feels anything that I have stated is criticism.
 

BMWboatski

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Re: Crownline questions. Love the boats.

No offense taken here, I was just trying to get as much info as possible on Crownline, and now I have a couple of other brands to look at as well. Thanks all.
 

BMWboatski

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Re: Crownline questions. Love the boats.

Just wanted to go back to one of my original posts as I entered the new wonderful world of boating. After many discussions, hours of research, the detroit boat show and 50 posts later....

I have officially purchased my first boat a 2003 Four Winns H200. Beauiful White and red with a 220 hp Merc 5.0. Only 90hrs on it with 1 owner.

Cannot wait...I got to pick it up Saturday.

Any final suggestions or things i need to read up on since I have 3 weeks before I will probably be able to put it in the water?
 

roadrunnr

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Re: Crownline questions. Love the boats.

Congrats on your purchase,sounds like a nice boat! Post pictures when you get it home and get the chance!!!!
 
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