Decarbed and compression went down!

matt194

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I tested my motor for compression and I had 100 +- 3 in three cylinders and 90 in the other cylinder. I have a 1979 Evinrude 115hp. Then I decarbed the engine hoping to raise the compression but now I am reading 90 on the three that 100 and 75-80 on the one that read 90. How can this happen. Could it do anything with the timing being off? Could it be bad gaskets?
 

Benny1963

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

use a good gauge warm up the motor ,open your throttle plates
pull out your plugs and make sure you have agood battery and starter
check it again some times its not high numbers your looking for but
consistency between cyls
although they need to be in the 90s to perform .if your numbers are stii low
you may pull heads and take a peek,

good luck bennyb
 

iwombat

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Chances are you just drained your battery some - happens all the time. Give that battery a full charge and try it again. Engine has to spin at 300rpm at least to get a good reading.
 

matt194

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Well I charged the battery and it only took about 20 minutes on a 2 amp charger so I don't think its the battery. I didn't open the throttle plates when I preformed the test. Am I supposed to take the spark plugs out completely or just remove the boot connected to them?
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Check with all the plugs out. Charging a battery for 20 min on 2 amps isn't going to do much.
 

matt194

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

I charged the battery after doing the compression test and it only took about 20 minutes at 2 amps to fully charge the battery. Sorry for not explaining that completely. I will check with all the plugs out. thanks
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

I'll bet you're going to be pleased when you check it with the plugs out.
I hope so anyway,:)
JBJ
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Well I charged the battery and it only took about 20 minutes on a 2 amp charger so I don't think its the battery. I didn't open the throttle plates when I preformed the test. Am I supposed to take the spark plugs out completely or just remove the boot connected to them?

hello,

as a rule, yes. did u remove them for the first test? if not and bat strong then readings are relative, albiet a bit meaningless as to true bore condition.

it is also possible due to age, u have scored pistons that had carbon in them. u may have also had carbon on piston top, maybe even some behind rings... all blown out from the de-carb. the old head gasket while serviceable may in fact, as u suggest, be leaking. would show up as black areas 'tween compression o-ring on gasket and other sealing edge. still will service ok, but not to spec.

but, imo... if u got those first readings with all the plugs in cept hole testing... no doubt ur bores in good shape. but if u have boots off, be sure plug connections grounded. :)

regards
lakester :cool:
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

I just remembered something. When I got my motor checked out a month ago they told me that one cylinder didn't pass the leak test. Could this be because of a bad head gasket? How would I find out what is causing the cylinder to fail the leak test?
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

I just remembered something. When I got my motor checked out a month ago they told me that one cylinder didn't pass the leak test. Could this be because of a bad head gasket? How would I find out what is causing the cylinder to fail the leak test?

hello,

do u mean a "leak-down" test? it is a rather involved process relative to compression test, and not a normal test to do or have done.

or do u mean why is the one cyl leaking more than others?

if later and u tested with other plugs in, personally, if it was my engine... i would not worry about it at this time and i would go and enjoy the summer water. :)

an engine in good tune, will usually run fine even if one cyl reads a bit low. things to consider are does it run smooth in all rpms, does it run cool as it should. is throttle response good. it may not be as peppy as a new one, but it can still run with some sense of authority. :D a weak engine can be kept in tip top shape for its condition with stepped up tunes and maint. such as change plugs sooner. dont abuse it. warm it up well when cold. avoid WOT throttle runs. :eek: standing or otherwise. use dielectric grease to seal out moisture on electrics and plug ends. keep or make connections BRIGHT!

i learned about a leaking head gasket on my early evinrude only because i had to pull it. so i got to inspect it. it was serviceable but only one thing can be said about carbon graying showing up past the cyl's compression o-ring on headgasket... she is a leaking... maybe not lots, but some blow by is happening.
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

From my understanding, they did a leak down test and one cylinder leaked more than normal. I took the boat in to have a general check-up.
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Ok I redid the compression with the plugs out and the throttle opened. I got 101, 102, 105 and 80. What is causing the one cylinder to be 80?
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Repeat your test again, going in reverse order. If you get the same results, I think it's time to pop the head.
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

sorry Matt,
But you MAY have a cylinder with scored pistons or scratched cylinders, leaking pressure past the piston rings. Or you could just have some stuck rings which a decarb may help. You really won't know until you take off the exhaust covers so you can look at the pistons/rings a little. You may wind up taking the head off to get a better look at that cylinder.
That's about all I can tell you.:(
JBJ
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Just take the cylinder head off to start. You could have a stuck ring, rusted cylinder or a bad head gasket, but you won't know until you look. I would pull the bypass cover before the exhaust cover, but neither one before the cylinder head,
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Ok I took the cylinder head off on the side with low compression. The cylinder with low compression has a messed up piston. I put up some pics. What sould I do next?
 

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iwombat

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

Well, there's the answer.

If you pull the intake bypass cover I'll bet you see a broken or missing ring. Which cylinder is that looks like #2.

You're in for a powerhead rebuild/replacement.

You'll want to find out why it got damaged or you'll be in for more of the same in short order.
 

ezeke

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

That looks like a broken piston ring bounced around in there. The cylinder head looks useable. The decision will be yours to rebuild the engine , replace it or look for a new motor. If you continue to run the motor, eventually it will not be rebuildable.

It is very possible that the parts of the ring have already blown out, so the motor might run for some time in the present condition, though you could never expect top performance. You can check to see if most of the ring is gone by removing the bypass cover.

Turn the flywheel so that you can look for scoring in the cylinder walls and see how much damage is there.
 

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

I also have a 1977 115hp evinrude. Are those pistons and all the other stuff I need to fix the problem compatiable with the 1979 evinrude 115hp? Is the bypass cover the flat plate in between the two cylinder banks?
 

iwombat

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Re: Decarbed and compression went down!

the bypass cover is on the other side of the cylinder from flat plate (exhaust cover) under the starter relay.


1978 was the model change year. So most likely the '77 stuff won't work unless it's an extra-long shaft.

Even if it did, you'll likely need to bore and get an oversize piston making the parts from the other 115 useless to you.

If you caught all this early it might not be all that bad.
 
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