Detuning for decreased horsepower??

Squeakit

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I have been examining the specs for the Merc 6hp and the 8hp motors and everything is identical except the power output. I have read that the "smaller" engine is a detuned version of the "larger" one. What is detuning and how hard is it to "un-detune" a detuned engine? I can get a real good deal on a 6hp, but pay twice as much for an 8. Is this detuning a closely guarded secret of the manufacturers or simply a matter of changing carb or timing etc? Thanks for any input.
 

The Marine Doctor

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

Tuning is done through the exhaust. The exhaust and the sound of the exhaust exit the 8hp more efficiently than the 6hp.<br /><br />Also the jetting in the carb might be a little bigger.<br /><br />TMD
 

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

Would it be possible to modify or open up the exhaust on a 6 and/or rejet the carb to bring it up to 8, or is this something that is beyond the scope of a do-it-yourself engine tinkering hobbyist? I know that exhaust tuning on a 2stroke is pretty critical. Thanks TMD for your prompt reply.
 

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

Anything is possible if you throw enough money at it. Just buy a bigger motor. Any change in the jets would be associated with different intake or exhaust modifications that would be hard to make for a reasonable cost. If you just change the jetting you will just loose horsepower.
 

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

jimd is right..you will probebly benefit more from spending the money up front rather than tinkering with the 6hp to get an 8hp.<br /><br />8hp engines are overpriced. Can you not get a 9.9hp or a 15hp?<br /><br />Or is size a problem here?<br /><br />Or is it just a smokin deal on the 6hp?<br /><br />TMD
 

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

and an extra 2hp will do very, very little...<br />prob. not even noticable.
 

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

I really appreciate the input, guys. I'm probably not going to get either a 6 or an 8 at this point, but I'm a tinkerer/hobbyist who enjoys the challenge of making something work a little better, or making a ten-dollar junker kicker run me all over the lake. Call it a sickness. I know it's always easier to pull out your wallet and buy what you want and let someone else worry about how and why it works or doesn't work, but I'm curious and I don't have a fat wallet. Sometimes I'm successful with projects and sometimes I wind up spending more and throwing it out anyway <G> I was able to nearly double the performance of a little Yamaha 2hp by simply drilling out the exhaust relief ports. However, the situation with the Merc 6 and 8 sounds more complicated. If 2 more horses are insignificant anyway, than I guess it's just not worth it. Think I'll take TMD's advice and look for a used 15.
 

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

Are you looking for a 6HP motor? I have one in excellent condition for sale. If you are interested let me know. I just recently bought a Bass boat and the wife thinks that as therapy for my sickness I should sell the one off my jon boat. <br /><br />Matt<br /><br />moharver@jcn.net
 

Squeakit

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

Hi drive camp. Thanks for your kind offer, but I don't really need a 6 as I already have a 5.5 and a 7. These are old motors that I have fixed up and so far they both run fine. I was just intrigued that Merc would take a motor that was capable of putting out 8hp and choke it to death so that it would only put out 6, just so they could sell the same engine for 2 different (over)prices! I guess that's just smart business practice, but to me that sux. I really think I'm going to get a 15 as the increase over the old Eska 7 should make my little 12ft aluminum jonboat sit up and speak. Why don't you give your little boat (and motor) to your wife as a special gift to show how much you love her? She will be so touched and overwhelmed that she will treasure it forever and maybe even let you use it once in awhile when you get tired of playing with your bass boat <GGG> Thanks again for your offer and best of luck!
 

jim dozier

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

If you look through the outboard industry you will find many examples of engines with essentially the same block and displacement that put out different hp. All the manufacturers do this. 75/85 90/100 115/140 etc. etc. Usually there is either a different exhaust (tuned), different porting, different reed blocks, different carbs, or combinations of several. All internal combustion reciprocating engines 2-stroke or 4-stroke are breathing machines. Modifications that let mixture in faster or let it out faster or both make more power. Sometimes you can do this at approximately the same rpm by making the engine more efficient, or sometimes (more often) you make more power by increasing the engines ability to breath at a higher rpm band (more torque at higher rpm = more hp).<br /><br />Also don't think of it as detuning. Think of it as souping up. In many instances (but not all) the lower hp comes out first and instead of casting an entire new engine a little time spent in research on the bench can derive more hp out of an existing engine. Detroit does it all the time. Time spent on the bench costs money and they do it when they think it will increase their return. <br /><br />Sometimes they are just giving you a range of hp. A small boat rated for 75 hp max is not a potential market for and 85 hp engine. Minor mods to the engine can detune it and voila, expanded market for existing product.<br /><br />Back in the 70' if you had a Honda car and you wanted to massage a little more hp into it, you would need quite a bit of knowledge and experience to know what to change, how to change it, and your own machine shop to make it. Now in the 2000's there is a huge list of bolt on products (similar to Detroit race power accessories), how to magazines, and ready made high quality CNC machined race equipement for easy and (relative to 1970) inexpensive power improvements for those with a heavy foot. If you wan't to do the same for outboards you are gonna have to pay, and it is usually cheaper to buy a bigger motor and sell the smaller one.
 

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Re: Detuning for decreased horsepower??

jimd: Thanks for the excellent and informative post. I think you just about covered the whole subject. I'm interested in power-to-weight efficiency in a small motor to get maximum performance from a small boat on a small budget. This forum is very helpful in educating me towards this goal. I'd definitely rather buy a souped up engine than a detuned one! I guess it's all in how you look at it. Best regards.
 
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