Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

welovetoboat

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Yesterday we had our boat out on the MISSISSIPPI. Started having some issues with it dying... not getting gas. Had the engine cover up. We literally had AT LEAST 15 boats pass us. Not one stopped and asked if we needed help. WE NEVER pass a boat that looks like it is having trouble without asking if we can help. We even had two kids on the boat. I just can't understand where common courtesy has went nowadays! What would you have done? If you see someone with trouble, do you stop??? Just looking for some answers an opinions! :confused:
 

TilliamWe

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

Even if it wasn't the law that you have to stop to assist other boaters, my wife and I purposely look for broken down boats.

BTW, did you have your orange distress flag flying? If not, how do you think all those boats knew you were having trouble? An open engine cover doesn't always mean a distress. But flying the orange flag does.
 

DaNinja

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

I always stop to help if they desire it.
BTW...When I display an orange flag it's because I've got a skier or swimmer in the water. If I'm displaying the flag I prefer folks keep their distance.
 

welovetoboat

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

BTW, did you have your orange distress flag flying? If not, how do you think all those boats knew you were having trouble? An open engine cover doesn't always mean a distress. But flying the orange flag does.[/QUOTE]

Good point, No we did not have the flag up. I guess that may have helped:rolleyes: But, I guess that we are just old fashion and try to help anyone when we can. Just the way we were raised.
 

Fly Rod

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

Yes, I do stop, ask if everybody is okay, make sure that boat is not sinking, ask if they need assistance. If they need assistance, then I mention that I will call a towing company or the coast guard if they do not have a VHS. Making sure that they are anchored I go on my way unless the condition of the sea warrants that I take them aboard my boat.

You need to be very carefull if you take a boat under tow. Once you take a hold of the tow line you are responsible for the boat and its passengers.

If you do not have towing insurance you do not belong on the water, it is like having triple AAA
 

welovetoboat

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

There are no water towing companies in Fort Madison Iowa area that tow boats or are "on call" to tow boats. We always see people being towed by another boater. Our insurance agency actually told us that there is no reason to have tow insurance in our area due to the fact that there is NO ONE who does this. Sure would be a good business opportunity for someone in the summer!
 

Fly Rod

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

I just had another brainstorm.

Instead of an orange flag take along the American flag, a short or long length of a pole, hang the flag upside down and 99% of the people that go by will say, "Look at that nut, he does not know that his flag is upside down."
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

Always stop if someone looks to be in need of help. If it turns out they are O.K. then at least we know that we have not left anyone stranded out there. I would like to think that others will do the same for me if necessary.
 

TilliamWe

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

BTW...When I display an orange flag it's because I've got a skier or swimmer in the water. If I'm displaying the flag I prefer folks keep their distance.

Then you are using that flag incorrectly, and potentially dangerously. Please see the above link for what the orange flag is supposed to be used for.
 

xjcj3a

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

then it seems everyone that ski's or tows things uses it incorrectly. they sell those flags next to the ski's/watertoys in my area. and its been the common thing to use when someone is in the water in oregon for at least the last 20 years. what flag should be used to show someone is in the water?
 

jaxnjil

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

then it seems everyone that ski's or tows things uses it incorrectly. they sell those flags next to the ski's/watertoys in my area. and its been the common thing to use when someone is in the water in oregon for at least the last 20 years. what flag should be used to show someone is in the water?


your correct xjcj3a. it appears we're talking two different flags. there talking about coast gaurd regs and a 3'x3' flage with black spots and on the great lakes and coastal water ways.

Orange Distress Signal Flag for Boats. The distress flag must be at least 3 x 3 feet with a black square and ball on an orange background. It is accepted as a day signal only and is especially effective in bright sunlight. The flag is most distinctive when waved on something such as a paddle or a boat hook or flown from a mast.








"This regulation requires all boats when used on coastal waters, which includes the Great Lakes, the territorial seas and those waters directly connected to the Great Lakes and the territorial seas, up to a point where the waters are less than two miles wide, and boats owned in the United States when operating on the high seas to be equipped with visual distress signals."

here in colardo and on the utah wyoming and navada lakes we frequent if you have a siker in the water your spotter is required to wave a 12" x12" or so flagg.
"The observer or operator of a vessel towing a person(s) on water skis or other devices must display a ?skier down? flag whenever the towed person(s) or associated equipment is down in the water. The flag must be displayed so that it is clearly visible."







i as you, am quite shocked when TilliamWe says not to do this, as they sell these flags at most all boat stores and marinas for this purpose.

i am looking and the col. dow. rules and regs and will post
 

jaxnjil

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

here is the link requiring the use of the skier down flag and a picture of it about the center of the page

it has become common for people to use these flags when wake boarding and towing tube ect
as xjcj3a stated if your waving a flag out here people will give you a wide birth as they sould by law to avoid your people in the water

http://www.boat-ed.com/co/course/p4-12_reqspectopwc.htm#TowingSkierSection
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

The rule about stopping to render aid is very misunderstood. You don't have to render aid just because someone has broken down, run out of gas, etc. The key issue is whether or not the person needing assistance is in danger.

For example, a boat that has run out of fuel in a safe place is an entirely different scenario from one that has run out of fuel in the middle of the ICW, where there is a great deal of barge traffic. In the latter scenario, the possibility of being run over is very real.

So, what does rendering assistance mean? In hypotheticial given above, does it mean that you have to immediately tow the distressed boat? The answer is no. You could warn tugs via VHF, you could fire off a flare if you thought doing so would warn a tug of a boat in front of them, you could use a loud horn to give off the universal danger signal, you could take persons aboard the distressed boat onto your own boat, etc.

The point is that there is no requirement to risk your own well being in order to help someone else. The obvious example here would be that you don't have to risk being run over by a barge and pushboat, that is within a very short distance of doing the same thing to someone else.

As far as liability is concerned, I would say that is a very complicated issue. In most states, there are laws protecting good samaritans from liability claims. The problem is that most of them are limited to issues surrounding medical assistance, first aid, etc. Beyond that narrowly defined area, yes, there is liability exposure and that is true, simply because anyone can sue someone else for just about anything.

But here's the good news, if you tow another boat carefully, and you know what you are doing, chances are that nothing drastic will happen. This is particularly true in protected waters, where the shock forces associated with towing in seas don't occur. Because of this, the possibility of a claim against you is low, because the chances of an attorney taking a case with "no legs" (ie: very little money, if any, likely to be awarded) is slim. This is true merely because very few lawsuits are filed on a fee for service basis - they are nearly always done on contingency. This means the lawyer not only doesn't get paid if he/she loses, but also has to "eat" every expense incurred in working the case.

All of this said, there are a few things that a person can do to limit potential liability. The most simple is to require the towed vessel owner/operator to make the tow line fast to his/her own boat. I will sometimes tell people where not to fasten it, such on an obviously inadequate cleat, but I don't tell them anything beyond that. On the other end of the spectrum, if you don't know how to tow a boat properly, don't do it. Don't so stupid things either, like trying to tow too fast. When/if you do, you enter the realm of "gross negligence" and that's where both serious injuries and significant liability exposure tend to become an issue.

I tow people on a regular basis and have been doing so for years. I have never once had someone try to claim that I damaged their boat or caused injury to someone. One thing I should include in this statement, however, is that I have refused tows on occassion. If I run into a situation that just isn't safe for some reason, or if the distressed party is drunk, beligerent or just gives me a bad "vibe" in general, I will offer to call an appropriate authority for assistance.

Sometimes, I even tow stuff that can't sue me! :D


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Bob_VT

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

I normally will pull up and see if there is a problem...... sorry th hear about you day. I have been in the same position and I understand how you feel.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

Yup. It was a "Katrina Refugee" that was in a place that the CG couldn't find. I do alot of stuff for them, so I coordinated with the Aids to Navigation folks and retrieved it for them.

I posted the pic here just for fun and because it represents another aspect of public service - something that I believe in.
 

wajajaja02

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

yup, 40 years as a volunteer ems, its in my blood, so on the water too.
 

Bart Sr.

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Re: Do you stop to help stranded boaters?

The lakes I frequent are rather small so I am always watching the other boats--mostly for proximity purposes.I average asking 1 per week if everything is ok.Haven't towed anyone yet but it will happen eventually.
 
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