Evinrude Power Tilt & Trim

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Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this forum and have some questions about adding a power tilt and trim to my 1979 70hp Evinrude. Anyway, I've already purchased a used power tilt and trim unit. It has 2 wires coming from the motor, 1 blue and 1 green. So far, it appears that polarity is reversed to extend and retract. Initially, the business from where I purchased it from told me that one wire was up, the other was down and that it was grounded through its body. That didn't work, so I began checking with a volt-ohm meter and found no continuity between body and either wire, but found continuity through the wires only. up/down works by reversing polarity. If I'm doing something incorrect, stop me. Anyway, I'll begin today to install the power tilt and trim unit. From reviewing schematics, there appears to be parts which I may still need. Two of these are the thrust pads. I'm not 100% certain that I need them, but from what I call recall from some of my engineering classes, I believe they're needed to keep the forces from the engine, running parallel with the trim rods. The way I view it, I believe the thrust pads may be concave (schematic doesn't show that great of detail) for the trim rods to set into them. The person who sold this unit to me told me the power tilt and trim unit would just push on the existing bolts that are currently in place in the "swivel bracket (BRP Parts Listing). Currently there two brackets with springs attached to it which is part of the manual tilt mechanism. From what I see, these will be removed permanently along with several other parts in order install the power tilt and trim unit. Can the motor be run without these thrust pads and not damage the trim rods?
Next question, at this time I have no trim sender or gauge. Again I was told these aren't necessary could run the motor and just list for the pump to change tones. I realize that if the pump isn't shut off at full retract or full extend, that that could cause internal damage to the pump. It's probably like our power steering systems on our automobiles where the fluid superheats in the pump because there is nowhere to go. Also, does the trim sender have a limit that prevents you from trying to trim the motor to high (the point where tilt cylinder takes over). Any information anyone can give me to validate my thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Steve
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Evinrude Power Tilt & Trim

You absolutely DO NEED the thrust pads unless you intend to damage the ends of the trim rams. Part number is 321499.

Unfortunately they seem to be made of gold (scarcastic remark) and have a 2004 price listing of $56.63 each (outrageous). I happen to have two left in my remaining stock which I would sell both for $25.00 and take care of shipping. If interested, send me a private message with your email address.

The 2 wire PTT electric motor is a dual polarity motor meaning that voltage applied to the two wires cause the motor to run in one direction, reversing the voltage jumper wires causes it to run in the opposite direction.

The unit will not function on the engine if voltage is simply applied to those two electric motor wires, they will heat up to an extreme in a matter of seconds. What is needed is a wiring harness specifically for that 2 wire electric motor whereas the harness incorporates a junction box which includes a set (2) of relays, terminal strip, and connector wiring to the electric motor. Hopefully you have this wiring harness, but if not, obtain a good used one if possible to keep your cost down.

Thhe trim gauge and/or sender is something you can do without and can add at a later date if you desire.
 

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Re: Evinrude Power Tilt & Trim

Up & Down Relay Energized-.jpgTilt n Trim Wiring Diagram_87_UP.jpg

I don't have the harness, but had already figured I'd need 2 relays in order the keep heat down in the tilt/trim circuit. I purchased 2 - 40 amp relays with connectors (5 blade/pin).
I have two wiring diagrams. Hopefully they came through as attachments. Shouldn't the one that shows the tilt up and tilt down energized give me basic connections without all the extras (sending units and gauges). I also know that I need to add in line fuses at 12v supply to motor and switch. My connector to the relays are wired as follows: 30 - blue (14ga.), 87 - yellow (14ga.), 87a - red (14ga.), 86 - black (16ga.), and 85 - white (16ga.) Also, what about the trim sender and/or limit?
As for the thrust pads, the individual that sold me the power tilt and trim unit, said he would see if he had any there and send them to me no-charge as of Saturday night. It just seemed logical the power tilt and trim would need the thrust pads. If he can't get the thrust pads for me, I'll keep your offer in mind.

Steve
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Evinrude Power Tilt & Trim

Having the schmatics, I'm sure you'll figure the wiring setup out. Either one would work as I see them..... which is easiest will need to be your judgement call.

On that model, there is no limit setting.... it's up to you to stop pressing that up/Dn button. The sender is needed only for the PTT gauge, nothing more.
 

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Re: Evinrude Power Tilt & Trim

Thrust Pads.jpgI managed to get a set of thrust pads at no charge. I checked several model years and came up with the same part number from 1983 through 1990 ( if memory serves me correctly). The only thing I can't be certain of is if any models were omited from the listings. The thrust pad (see image) aren't as concave as I had expected. I had expected to see a deeper pocket for the tilt rods to ride in. Other than the slight indentations from use do you see anything wrong with these thrust pads?
 

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Re: Evinrude Power Tilt & Trim

The new thrust pads really aeren't very concave but they should be uniformly smooth. The top pad viewed in your picture shows one that is worn bad. Frankly I wouldn't use it. I have no idea what harm it might do..... I just do not use damaged parts.
 
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