Fed up with suzuki!!

NO2Suzuki

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Last Summer after researching outboards, I decided to purchase a Suzuki DF15 outboard as my first outboard motor.
I made my decision based on lack of complaints about the company, they were the lightest in this size and the cost was reasonable. Unfortunately it was the worst mistake I have made.

I read through the manual, and began the break in process. I ran it at our cottage for 1-2 hrs the first day, and the next time probably 1-1.5 hours, and ALWAYS flushed out when removed from water as it is salt water there. The third trip out seemed normal, but motor just didnt seem to be working the same. I brought it in and found water in the oil. (Great SALT water in my NEW outboard.)

I took it in for service and asked for a NEW replacement, as I didnt want a rebuilt motor after paying for a new one. Unfortunately, they said Suzuki would never replace it, they only have to repair it. I asked to get the number for the Suzuki rep and was told they would have him call me. I received no call from a Suzuki rep or responses to my emails at Suzuki. With the wait for the rep to see it, and getting the parts, It took over a month to get my outboard back, just in time to store it in the basment for winter.

This year I take it out for it's first run on the river. For almost 2 hours things seemed great, when all of the sudden the motor died abruptly. Tried restarting but wouldnt run, and throttle handle stuck in the 1/2 position and wouldnt go back. Figured it was a linkage problem, but couldnt fix on the water, so had to row boat back to dock. I found linkage screw was loose causing linkage to come apart, a simple fix.

I used the motor 2 more times after this adding another couple of hours to the operating time. Upon cleaning the motor up and checking things over, I was appauled to find water in the oil AGAIN!!

Another 4.5hr drive to nearest Dealer and then back. They are now supposedly tearing it apart again, its been 2 weeks and NO CALLS. I told them I wanted the reps phone number and was denied, they said they cant give it out. I demanded he call me, saying this is totally unacceptable. There should be some lemon law protecting people from junk like this. Ive emailed Suzuki and all ive received was an automated email saying someone would get back to me in the next 4-5days; its going on 3 weeks now.

So 1 breakdown, and 2 motor jobs on a NEW outboard with less than 14hrs on it. (NOT a good record if you ask me):mad:

I feel I only have one choice left now. Let them repair it, then dump it, and go get the Honda I wanted in the first place.

Any suggestions on where I should go with this.
Thanks for the help.
 

99yam40

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Re: Fed up with suzuki!!

what did they find wrong and do to it the first time?
and the second time?
 

NO2Suzuki

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what did they find wrong and do to it the first time?
and the second time?

First Time, dealer told me it was a factory defect on the head gasket.

They said during manufacture they are supposed to put a silicone sealer on the head gasket, and they said that wasnt done. Causing salt water to leak into the oil from the cooling side.

This time, the motor was dropped off 2.5 weeks a go, with NO call from dealer, NO call from the Suzuki Rep, and no response from Suzuki email telling me anything.

Tis the service I have come to expect from Suzuki.
Not impressive at all.

I feel 2 motor jobs in less than 14 hrs use should warrant a new outboard, its obviously a lemon. Not to mention loss of use for 5-6 weeks every summer waiting for parts and repair.

After all you buy a NEW outboard so you dont get someone else's problems, which is all Ive had, is problems.
 

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I have a 2005 DF15 which I got real cheap because it consistently had water in the oil. Almost by accident, I found that the thermostat gasket had a tiny leak and was spraying a thin stream of water directly through the silencer screen into the throat of the carb. Apparently it was passing from there thru the cylinders to the oil pan. Put a new gasket on and no trouble since (cross my fingers). There is probably only a 1000 to 1 chance that something like this happened to you, but strange things happen with these motors...
 

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I would be surprised that they said that factory was suppose to use a sealer on new parts and head gasket and they did not, kind of think they were jerking you around because they could not find the real reason.
Hope they find the real reason this time and you end up with a non problematic motor for many years to come.
Let us know what they find and do to motor.

I have heard of motor being mounted too low and water backs up the exhaust when coming of plane. Something to think about and watch for
 

NO2Suzuki

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I would be surprised that they said that factory was suppose to use a sealer on new parts and head gasket and they did not, kind of think they were jerking you around because they could real reason.
Hope they find the real reason this time and you end up with a non problematic motor for many years to come.
Let us know what they find and do to motor.

I have heard of motor being mounted too low and water backs up the exhaust when coming of plane. Something to think about and watch for

Thanks for the response. I felt the silicone on the headgasket was bulls*it too, but as long as it was fixed I didnt care. Unfortunately it wasnt fixed and here I am again.

As I am on week 3 since dropping the motor off, and havent heard anything about the repair, I called at 8:30 this am to see what they found. I was deeply disappointed to hear them say the manager wasnt there yet, and they have no idea what has been done so far, if anything. They said they'd call back when he gets in. Its now going on 2pm and still no call. Geesh.:facepalm:
 

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I'd call Suzuki direct and share this whole story, to include the fact that the dealer will not give you contact information. They list this phone number on their webpage;
714-572-1490

That was from Suzuki Marine dot com. I'd be just as frustrated as you are. And I'd also be rather suspect about the reason they gave you the first time. Seems like there'd be a bulletin or recall or something. Not sure how your State's Lemon Law works, but it might be time to start investigating it.
 

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There are only two small places where sealant is specified, and neither of them are anywhere near a water jacket.

Is this the dealer where you bought the engine?
 

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There are only two small places where sealant is specified, and neither of them are anywhere near a water jacket.

Is this the dealer where you bought the engine?

I live in New Brunswick, Canada. The motor was purchased in PEI, Prince Edward Island. Unfortunately the nearest dealer to me is 4.5hrs away in Amherst, Nova Scotia. Which is where Ive been taking it for repairs. Hopefully dealer ISNT doing this just to **** me off. Its certainly not the buyers fault for having a faulty product. I understand this could be the reason for screwing me around, but you'd think Suzuki wouldnt appreciate it, as it reflects against them too.
 

lakensea

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American Suzuki Motor Corporation and Suzuki Canada are two entirely seoarate and different companies. True, they distribute engines for Suzuki Japan, but all customer service, warranty & sales are handled by each respective country's distributor.

Most likely your local dealer is not trying to **** you off, but he may be very busy and does not want to **** off any of his regular customers who have purchased engines from him.
 

NO2Suzuki

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American Suzuki Motor Corporation and Suzuki Canada are two entirely seoarate and different companies. True, they distribute engines for Suzuki Japan, but all customer service, warranty & sales are handled by each respective country's distributor.

Most likely your local dealer is not trying to **** you off, but he may be very busy and does not want to **** off any of his regular customers who have purchased engines from him.

Could be true, but like I said, it sure reflects bad on Suzuki. They finally called back near the end of the day, but not with any info. All they basically said was, they are still waiting for the Suzuki rep. I asked if they tore the motor apart yet ar found anything. She couldnt even tell me that. So Id say, it seems like its just sitting there waiting for a rep to come look at it. Very Bad Service to say the least.

Another lost boating season with a broken outboard, and 1 yr less on the warranty. Well it does have a 3yr warranty, but now 1.3 yrs gone of it. :facepalm:
 

robert graham

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Sounds to me like it's time for Suzuki to step up to the plate and get you a new motor!....you know the old saying, "a happy customer will tell 5 people, but an unhappy customer will tell the world"....Hope they do the right thing for you!
 

NO2Suzuki

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Sounds to me like it's time for Suzuki to step up to the plate and get you a new motor!....you know the old saying, "a happy customer will tell 5 people, but an unhappy customer will tell the world"....Hope they do the right thing for you!

Thanks Robert, I agree 100%. It certainly would change my opinion, but not my trust in their product. Trust has to be earned.

First rebuild, less than 4 hrs use, I asked for a replacement and was told no. Then I said I should be compensated somehow, and asked for an extension of the warranty (Which I felt would have been a totally reasonable request.) and was flat outright told no on that too by the dealer. BUT, Now a replacement is the only thing that will make me feel confident that the problem is gone.
 

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Well last night I got an email back from Suzuki Canada after I wrote This 2 days a go:

"Ive emailed you numerous times for help with a defective, NEW, DF15 outboard Ive been having trouble with.
I’ve asked for someone to contact me, concerning my problems with having to rebuild a new outboard 2 times in the first 2 yrs of its life, plus 1 breakdown; with a motor that has less than 14hrs on it.
But Suzuki continues to IGNORE me. I feel your company is very unprofessional in dealing with their customers, and it just isn’t fair.
I have started a page on iboats forum about my troubles and experience with these dealings. Hopefully we can make things right.
If you do decide to do the right thing, and call me, it would be greatly appreciated."

(Its actually only been 1 yr and 3 months of ownership, but I put 2.)
Here was their response:

"Thank you for taking time to contact us with your inquiry.
We apologize for the inconvenience that this delay is causing you. We do take seriously your concerns and are committed in seeking a resolution as quickly as possible. To this end, we have assigned our district parts and service manager to this case and has been involved in the diagnosis of this issue. Unfortunately, there is one part in back order that is causing some delay. We hope to obtain an ETA today or tomorrow which we will then update you on as soon as we are made aware.
Again, we regret that you are faced with this issue and thank you for your patience in this matter.
Sincerely"

Now this morning I got a call from the dealer telling me they looked the motor over and they have to order a new power head unit. He said he looked it over and everything looked fine, but the Suzuki guys said the head on the unit appears to have more clearance on one side than the other. So a new power head unit, but they are reusing the old pistons and crank. I said you'd think they'd just change the whole thing, he agreed but this is what their doing. The parts are to be ordered today, and hopefully be here next week.

Now apparently they dont have a gas tank for it there, and I have to send it down so they can run the motor when it gets repaired. I didnt have to leave it last time which is why I didnt leave it this time. Just found it funny a dealer wouldnt have a gas can for it.
This time they want to run the motor for 8hrs before returning it, including running it on a boat. I sure hate the idea of someone else running my motor, but if thats what it takes to get it fixed, guess it has to be done.
 

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Surely they do not expect you to ship a tank containing gas to them, even empty it would have explosive fumes in it.
Will they pay for the shipping?

I would talk to them some more to get them to use one that they have around the shop as it is way too far for you to drive to just drop off your tank.

When writing letters to companies it is best to keep all facts as accurate as possible. Just an opinion
 

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Surely they do not expect you to ship a tank containing gas to them, even empty it would have explosive fumes in it.
Will they pay for the shipping?

I would talk to them some more to get them to use one that they have around the shop as it is way too far for you to drive to just drop off your tank.

When writing letters to companies it is best to keep all facts as accurate as possible. Just an opinion

Yes the do expect me to ship it, but empty, and at my expense I might add. You'd figure a marine dealer would have a tank for the outboards they sell. The first rebuild I took the tank with the outboard and they said they didnt need it.
I know they ran it too cause they had just finished testing it when I arrived to pick it up.

I agree on getting the facts straight, but it is actually right in saying, in the first 2 years of its life, as 1yr 3 months is in the first 2 years. Although 1 yr 3 months sounds better.
 

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I am not sure if canada has a lemon law. I would phone the better business bureau. Maybe the local chamber of commerce. Do you have a global tv station. Calgary Global does stories on stuff like this and generally gets results once the companies see the cameras lol.
 

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This time they want to run the motor for 8hrs before returning it, including running it on a boat. I sure hate the idea of someone else running my motor, but if thats what it takes to get it fixed, guess it has to be done.

Considering that it will need to go through the break in period all over again I think they are doing you a favor. You have read the break in section with all the restrictions that entails????
 

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Well, at least they're responding to your problems and sounds like they plan to make this right....Nobody likes to be ignored or given the brush-off, especially with a "new" motor!....Good Luck!:)
 

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Not sure about Canada, but in the States you CAN'T ship that gas container, if it's been used, even if it is drained. I should rephrase that, you have to ship through toxic chemical channels and the cost is extremely high. Even just fumes make it dangerous to ship I guess. Just a heads up. And yes, it's very strange that a repair facility wouldn't have a gas tank to test run a motor. Something is amiss there I think. If I didn't know better (which I don't), it sounds to me like the dealer is "punishing you" for the Suzuki contact.
 
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