Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

[Boomyal]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

... you completely skipped over all of the homosexuality going on in the animal kingdom....

You sure are hung up on animal homsexuality. You might like this book-

Why don't you give us a synopsis RF.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

Why don't you give us a synopsis RF.

No problem Boom.
It starts out with the hero, Gafteci, looking for his soul mate....8)

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal. Ever heard that line before?

Yep! Sure have MrB. No body is questioning the rights of people of the other persuasion to have equal access, in this case, to the institution of marraige. With out hinderance of any sort, they are free to join in wedlock, a member of the opposite sex, just like I am.

What you are trying to do with this line of thinking is a very stereotypical example of liberal distortion for the puposes of shoehorning their objectives into the accepted mainstream of rights.

It no more gives me the right to marry many women, or a single child, a horse than a person of the same gender. You have perfect freedom to define Marraige however you choose. No one is going to slap the cuffs on you. Just don't expect that the legal structure embodied in that term is going to be twisted to fit your definition.

If the courts allow apples to be compared to apples they will let stand the peoples decision to cast aside this preposterous notion that man can marry man and have all of the legal status therin!

 

[LFK]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

How about the right to marry the consenting adult they love....like you have?

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

There is a feller running for governor here in Texas, and he said that he don't give a damn if gays want to get married, they ought to have the right to be as miserable as the rest of you married folks.
Everytime that the subject of gays and marriage come up on here, i just LMAO at some of you folks, certainly there are much better things to rant about, politics ought not to be entering peoples bedrooms and dictate their personal lives, perhaps a Taliban style of govt' is what some would like to have in America .

 

[QC]

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LMAO @ Frogger . . .

Glad I dropped out. Too much emotion instead of discussion here for me. Ya know, there is no need to agree, just state your thoughts and hope they are understood.

Thanks Bob VT and JB for your clarifications of your challenges.

To me this boils down to whether or not you believe some things are better than others. Maybe Gay Marriage is not the place to draw the line. Maybe it is . . . BTW, I agree with asking the Polygamy question and would even ask if marriage to a Frog should be legal (don't worry, Rubber Frog is already hitched). These questions help focus the discussion on personal rights vs. the good of society.

LFK,

Unless you believe there is no difference between men and women, then it is just "common sense" that there are things a women can provide to a child that a man cannot and visa versa. For clarity, again, I have never stated that there cannot be "family" alternatives that are good. I just don't believe the alternatives can be best

Darth,

Yes, the slippery slope can slide either direction . . .

 

[RubberFrog]

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Glad I dropped out. Too much emotion instead of discussion here for me. Ya know, there is no need to agree, just state your thoughts and hope they are understood.

How many times must we have this discussion.... you're still trying to change peoples mind. It will never happen in this forum.

 

[LFK]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

Fresh breast milk aside, what do you perceive are the big differences that make it the "best" parenting relationship?

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

Fresh breast milk aside, what do you perceive are the big differences that make it the "best" parenting relationship?

Men aren't women. No matter how of a queen they act like. How is a man going to be a mom? Kids don't need a mother in your world?

 

[LFK]

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Kids need loving parents in my world.

 

[QC]

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How many times must we have this discussion.... you're still trying to change peoples mind.

GP

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

Mrbscott,

I agree that all are created equal, therefor any man can marry any woman. Nothing unequal there. And if you want to talk about affirmative action and all men are created equal we should start another thread. The real issue here is that life has become far more complex with far more governmental intrusion into our lives and to deny those who seek the benefits of government within the union historically based on raising children that ruffles the feathers of some. I don't think strikes anyone as wrong to provide the rights of will and property to anyone. It is the social and parental equality and the best environment for children that sets the scales askew. By redefining marriage which is exactly what is being attempted, then how will children, adoption, or even employers responsibility for health care fall into the equasion. It is clear that health issues for homosexuals is critical, and expensive. What does that do to an employer who has to now cover his expenses as defined by a law that never was in the mix when he examined costs and implemented a program. And you know the lawsuits are going to roll in. It also leads to a slippery slope when it comes to poligomy, and a variety of other more colorful relationships. No doubt this is going to change the dynamic.

There is much more going on here on the financial and religious side than is being brought to the discussion. Nobody at this time is required to disclose whether they are gay or not and with a healthcare requirement all employers will now know. What if they oppose the practice on religious grounds. You will see the collapse of the separation of church and state when they don't want to hire or retain employees who offend them? This is going to get ugly and trample on someones rights regardless of what the outcome is. It is an issue that is so multifaceted that I just can't dig in deep enough to arrive an a solution that wouldn't run over someones rights. The superficial MSM reports just little opinionettes on what they want as an outcome. I feel this is caused by big government as much as anything. But as I said earlier this is a topic that requires more than I can dedicate to understanding the nuances that affect everyone. My opinion would mean nothing.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

How about the right to marry the consenting adult they love....like you have?

Uh boy! :/

 

[QC]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

Fresh breast milk aside, what do you perceive are the big differences that make it the "best" parenting relationship?

Uh boy! :/

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

Fresh breast milk aside, what do you perceive are the big differences that make it the "best" parenting relationship?

Uh boy! :/

And uh girl!

 

[--GQ--]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

Stupid is as stupid does gafteci...just a thought. get back on the subject the Boomyal started.

Like I said in my previous post, let the folks decide. You vote your way and I'll vote mine, let's see who wins.

How about we let a bunch of high schoolers vote whether to go to school or ditch. The outcome is obvious.

The dumbest thing to do is vote on a person livelihood. You live the way you see fit and let others live the way they see fit. Don't be so bent on infringing other people lives?

Hate is a disease. Education is the cure. Which one will you pass on to your kids?

 

[--GQ--]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

... you completely skipped over all of the homosexuality going on in the animal kingdom....

You sure are hung up on animal homsexuality.Geez, you mention it in almost every post! You might like this book-

Rubber, I think you spend too much time in your "sup uped" Ford Taurus. Get out once in awhile and smell the fresh air. The point is homosexual behavior in animals proves the condition is nature and not nurture. Do I need to translate this post into Spanish so you can understand it better, SI or NO? 8)

 

[--GQ--]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

http://www.cnsnews.com/Commentary/Archive/200202/COM20020225f.html
The sad part is we can't even keep the dialog civil.:'([/quote]


That is a conservative group website. Why am I not surprised. Let me quote a member sig., "There are three sides to every story. Your side. His side. And the truth".

Face it, you are 99.9% likely to be a victim of a straight male than a gay male. No fear. Live and let Live.

 

[CJY]

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Simply put, people should be allowed to live as they wish and wed whom they wish. I would not exactly say morals and ethics have been on the rise recently. I believe some think this gay marriage is another societal breakdown. I would disagree.

I understand your point QC. "Ideal" means what exactly though? I know what you mean when you say it. My concern.....is your definition of "ideal" always the best situation? To me. "ideal" means what is best for all involved. When everyone is happy, loved, cared for, and productive citizens, then we have "ideal," in my mind. What will that take...no clue.
There is only one way to ever, ever, ever, achieve that. It is not through restricting their rights to be happy, productive, married citizens.

What's it going to hurt.....honestly?

 

[CJY]

Re: Finally! Some common sense from our courts.

I believe there is only one reason for any law...to prevent a decline in civilization.

Some believe gay marriag is a decline, some don't, while others believe they can stop gay emotions by outlawing it.

I see no evidence for gay marriage causing a decline in civilization. If you believe that being gay is something a person is born being, then it cannot be stopped. Therefore, let them live as they wish, with whom they wish, in a marriage if they wish.

I edited my thoughts from the original. Sorry if it caused confusion.