FIPK's, do they really work ???

KRS

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Hello fellow iboaters!<br /><br />I have a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 4.0L fuel injected engine. I love this vehicle, but here comes the problem (we all have one don't we)...<br /><br />When I take the family camping we are Loaded! This extra weight really makes pulling the hills more difficult. And if I'm towing the boat it's downright painful, I hate to wrap up the engine near 4000 rpm.<br /><br />I am thinking about spending several hundred dollars to purchase one of these K&N FIPK GEN2 AIR INTAKE kits. They are found on ebay and everywhere else (anyone know the best place for pricing?). Do they make a noticeable increase in power? If anyone has an opinion or experience, please let me know.<br /><br />Thanks a bunch and "keep on iboat'in".
 

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Searched FIPK, and didn't find anything... so I made this post. Just searched and found bubbakat's post from 12/04 about the GM service bulletin....<br /><br />still interested in info on FIPK's if anyone has some.
 

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Originally posted by azfyrfyter63:<br />Do they make a noticeable increase in power?
Yes, but barely. Not worth a couple hundred bucks. You should be able to make your own for about $10. I don't know about on Grands, but I've made two for regular Cherokees with the 4.0. You just need to get an appropriate cone filter and make some plumbing to connect it to your intake.<br /><br />The biggest increase I noticed on my 4.0 was boring out the throttle body and putting in a Flowmaster. You can buy 62mm throttle bodies on ebay for about $150, or you can bore your own pretty easily. If you take it off you'll notice there is a taper in the bottom ~3/4" of the TB. You just need to grind that off so it's straight like the rest of the TB.<br /><br />Here's just about everything you need to know about 4.0 performance:<br /> http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/
 

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Originally posted by azfyrfyter63:<br /> Hello fellow iboaters!<br /><br />I hate to wrap up the engine near 4000 rpm.<br /><br />
4,000 is nothing for that engine, those 4 liters are rock solid, ya might want to use a 15W40 oil in it durring the summer months when towing though.<br /><br />Anticipate the hill coming and manually down shift if its an auto, at the base of the hill, dont wait till it starts to bog down. Loaded heavily with a 4 liter is working that puppy pretty hard.. You need a V/8 Dude!
 

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Nice webpage link ZmOz. I woulda never thought about taking apart the intake, pulling the TB and grinding on it. I am reading the page for info. When you say put in a flowmaster... you mean a new exhaust?<br /><br />Lubedude, thanks for the advice on 10w-40, we both know that vehicle manufacturers give us oil guidelines for emissions requirements but not always long-life. I will definitely use 10w-40 (I live in HOT Arizona) in the summer. What about cooler (not cold) months?<br /><br />I try to pamper the engine, and 4k is about my limit for RPM, I try to stay under it except for passing. I'll just drop in a V8 eh? :) :)
 

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Originally posted by azfyrfyter63:<br /> Lubedude, thanks for the advice on 10w-40,
Re read my post, I didnt say 10W-40, I said 15W-40, As in Hi mileage oils or Diesel oils like Dello 400 and such. My vote goes to Dello, (Chevron). there is a big difference. You can run this oil year around in your climate. Some vehicle manufacture will void warrenties if they find you used 10W-40. Too many viscocity improvers, and they can cause sludging. Synthetics are ok in the 10W-40 though.
 

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I wasted $250 on one for my old '94 s-10 blazer with the 4.3L <br /><br />Not worth it in my opinion. Made it sound a little better when you got on it, that's about it.
 

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i have a mac intake for my explorer that i got for 100 bucks that is pretty nice all chromed out. just have to clean it everyonce in a while. <br /><br />www.procarparts.com <br />they should have them cheaper im thinking.
 

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skeeter, any performance improvement?
 

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Ahhhh, 15w-40, my mind replaced the 15 with a 10. Thanks for the correction. Lubedude, how much do you spend a year on lube products?<br /><br />I looked at the intake, not sure if it is just pretty or has some function to it skeeterboy.<br /><br />Thanks NoelMG, I am beginning to feel that way myself.
 

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Originally posted by azfyrfyter63:<br />When you say put in a flowmaster... you mean a new exhaust?
Yes. I just replaced the muffler, but you can buy a full cat back exhaust system for under $200.
 

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Originally posted by azfyrfyter63:<br /> how much do you spend a year on lube products?<br /><br />
A lot less than one might think, I get my oil and filters that I use in my vehicles from the guy I work for as kind of a fuel allowance. :D <br /><br />Maybe $100.00 a year or so for the boat. :eek:
 

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The FIPK is overpriced in my opinion for what you get. A cone filter ($45), a metal air barrier for most setups (Maybe $20) and the plastic air duct (come on really about $25 to produce including R&D). <br /><br />So you pay over $200 for what in a fair market could be profitable at $100. <br /><br />Get a filter, and do the other mods yourself. Clean up your ducting, move the filter closer to cold fresh air if you can, etc, etc. It's not rocket science as they want you to believe. <br /><br />If you are easy on the gas you'll see a MPG improvement. If you're looking for performance look somewhere else. Probably somewhere in 3-10 hp. <br /><br />I hacked up the air intake tube and airbox on my truck, and installed a gibson cat-back system. Still using the paper filters for now.<br /><br />It's a full size 1/2 ton 2wd chevy extended cab with a 5.3L 295HP V8, and I just filled it today. 24.784 gallons and 534.1 miles, or 21.55MPG. My best ever on a single tank was 23.1. I average 22-22.5 if I only drive to work and back (62 off peak miles highway each way). This tank had a trip to Home Depot and a little local driving here and there on it, hence the drop all the way down to 21.5. :) The EPA sticker stated 15 city, 19 highway. So needless to say I'm satisfied with the economy I see.
 

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i saw an 8-9 hp gain. Just re chip your jeep thats more sound. All you need is the intake cone as talked above to open up more air. Stock cars are so restrictive in the engine. New headers and exhaust will inprove the sound and performance. All in how much you want to spend. Which for me is not much.
 

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oh you americans! you want to live in the UK! here a 2 litre is a big car- my wife drives around in a 0.8 litre! and with fuel at about $1.50 a litre (what ever that works out at in your short measure gallons)22mpg would be intolerable to most people!
 
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A less restrictive air filter means just that. It is not only less restrictive to airflow, it is also less restrictive to dirt.<br /><br />I've seen many a "dusted" engine proudly sporting a K & N.
 

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K&Ns are not a bad filter. The problem lies in that people buy them and do not service them properly. You have to wash them, let them dry and oil them again (PROPERLY) Most people over-oil them, causing all kinds of problems in the MAFS. Most people are better off with the regular stock paper element.
 

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K&N makes the best air filters in the world bar none. It's the only thing used in race cars. K&N flame arrestors are the only product recommended by brand in Dennis Moore's book SBC Marine performance.<br /><br />I use K&Ns in my 3 vehicles - 2 Chevy Blazers and 1 GMC 2500 HD Diesel. You immediately see performance improvement and better gas mileage. I haven't invested in the FIPKs just the filters. You get much of the improvement at lower cost and effort and you don't have to touch them for about 50,000 miles.<br /><br />According to K&Ns web site you can expect 7.73 HP @ 4711 RPM using a FIPK in your Jeep. No data for just the filter.<br /><br /> http://www.knfilters.com/search/hp_search.aspx <br /><br />
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Both air flow and dirt protection are critical to engine performance. For this reason a consumer should always evaluate an air filter based on both its filtration efficiency and air flow capabilities. It is very easy to design an air filter that exhibits high airflow simply by reducing its filtration to unacceptable levels. As the “look” of a K&N air filter has become popular, many companies have begun offering products that copy that “look.” While imitation is said to be the sincerest form of flattery, our own testing has shown that many of these look-alike products do not provide a safe level of engine protection....<br /><br />Filtration 101 - A Deeper Cut <br /><br />Most people believe that all air filters function on a go/no go basis where dirt particles that are larger than the openings in the filter media are trapped while particles that are smaller than the openings can pass right through. A dry paper air filter does function in this manner. That’s why paper filters are so restrictive to air flow. The openings in this type of filter have to be very small to filter efficiently.<br /><br />The oiled cotton media used in the K&N air filter functions in an entirely different manner. There are scientific principles that determine how an air filter removes dirt particles from the air stream. The first of these principles is known as interception, which applies to dirt particles traveling with the air stream. Air flow will always take the shortest path and as the air is forced to flow around the filter’s fibers some of the particles will contact the sides of the fibers and be captured. These particles are then held in place by the oil or tacking agent in the fiber.<br /><br />Another principle is known as impaction, which mostly affects larger or heavier dirt particles. Impaction occurs when the inertia or momentum of the particle causes it to deviate from the flow path. In other words the heavy particles do not follow the air stream around the filter’s fibers but instead they run straight into the fibers and are captured.<br /><br />The most important principle for our use is diffusion, which deals with the laws of physics that govern the motion of very small dirt particles. Small particles are highly affected by the forces in the air stream. Forces such as velocity changes, pressure changes, turbulence caused by other particles and interaction with the air molecules cause these very small particles to become random and chaotic. As a result, these particles do not follow the air stream and their erratic motion causes them to collide with the filter’s fibers. This phenomenon enables an air filter to capture dirt particles that are much smaller than the openings in the media. In addition, the way that dirt collects or loads on the K&N filter is very different. A paper filter exhibits "surface loading" which means dust collects only on the surface of the media. In contrast, K&N filters exhibit "depth loading". The multiple layers of cotton fibers provide many levels of dust retention. This characteristic allows the K&N filter to hold significantly more dirt per square inch of media than the average paper filter. Utilizing these scientific principles, K&N has been able to design an air filter that is very free flowing while also being highly efficient at removing dirt from the air.<br /><br />
http://www.knfilters.com/facts.htm#FACTS
 

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How often does a race car engine get rebuilt compared with a regular car?<br /><br />The requirements of a race car engine are power first and enough reliability to complete the race.<br /><br />A regular car requires long term reliabilty before maximum power.<br /><br />K&N do a great job for performance engines.
 

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K&Ns do a great job with ANY engine and they do as good or better in filtering. The independent test data speaks for itself. You can use cheap paper filters that surface load or you can use oil impregnated cotton filters that depth load and provide much better air flow. When you consider they last the life of the vehicle and require virtually no maintenance and save fuel they pay for themselves.<br /><br />If there was ANY issue with K&N filters letting dirt pass that cheap paers filters don't manufacturers would VOID your warranty. They don't. They can't. K&Ns do as good or better...
 
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