First boat Resto in progress " advice needed"

Phazer230

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Re: First boat Resto in progress " advice needed"

I just went outside and started scraping my runover epoxy off of my vinyl table with a putty knife and started filling that bottom void and it worked pretty good, I hope I can take my sirenge tomorrow and fill that top gap, it will probably hold alot of epoxy though, but I think it ought to be done.
 

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Phazer230

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I guess I am being a little picky about this whole ordeal, cause I just went back out mixed up about 6 fl. oz. of resin and started filling that crack, I figured it would just ooz out at the seams of the wood, but it didnt not at all, it filled that crack just perfectly fine. The resin came to the top and I just kept filling it as the bubbles and air left, now the void is filled, these puppies are going to be nice, just a solid wood block not just 2 2x6 made up like a hollow box like the boat was before. Bravo me happy!:)
 

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Re: First boat Resto in progress " advice needed"

Lookin' good. Keep up the good work, those motor mounts look great.

Are you sure you don't want to do the transom while your in there? Have you seen this rebuild?

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=382318

Looks fairly easy. Unless you're planning on replacing your engine and outdrive soon, May want to do the transom now.

How about posting some pics of the outside of the boat. Those are great looking boats!
 

Phazer230

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Re: First boat Resto in progress " advice needed"

Lookin' good. Keep up the good work, those motor mounts look great.

Are you sure you don't want to do the transom while your in there? Have you seen this rebuild?

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=382318

Looks fairly easy. Unless you're planning on replacing your engine and outdrive soon, May want to do the transom now.

How about posting some pics of the outside of the boat. Those are great looking boats!

Thank you Captmello, yeah I understand what your saying, but there is so much good wood in there I hate to just tear it all out now and waste it, plus I would kindove like to see what the CPES is acually capable of. Pulling the motor and outdrive off my boat is a piece of cake and as long as I know I dont have to ruin my floor or anything to change it, it really wont bother me to have to pull it out at a later time. I will however check out that link you sent me. Thanks man
 

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Well I had to take a break from my project due to my kitchen flooding out Arrrrrrr anyway, I am back on the boat now. I installed some side clets which my boat did not have before I figured it would make everything better and easier to line everything up correctly, I chose to use some angle iron for floor simulators or "floor frames" which I can set on the clets and line everything up, one mistake I made was using the old stringers as patterns for new ones, I guess I should have made them from scratch but it is too late now. The way the manufacturer lined the stringers up was pathetic! They were no where near the same plain, the ones on the outer sides would have been about a inch away from the sole, there is no way this floor was sitting right on all these stringers. The floor would have been concave shape if it were forced down on the old stringers. I have one of the engine " bildge" stringers PL'd in place, I hope the way I did it is ok? The PL bedding under some places on my stringers will be reletively thick, meaning my stringers are close to about an inch off of the hull in some locations. I would think it will be ok though cause the manufacturer had them about the same way only worse, they had foam under them " you know the same foam they fill the boat with" no adhesives or fillets and the stringers were only glassed on 1 side, when I was removing them water was coming out of the foam with the cutter. looked like they only put down 1 layer of glass which was not very thick at all!
I have been grinding and ruffing and scuffing the last 2 days trying to get prepared to pl in my stringers, I hope I have ground enough and not to much? I just ground it till the little circles dissapear and the surface is smooth? this is the right procedure isnt it? I didnt figure the mat would go on to well with these little round circle bumps "air bubbles", in alot of places there wasnt any old fiberglass mat to remove since the stringers were only glassed on one side. Now my questions for the glassing, I have never done this before so I am a beginner, since my bedding is so thick in places " partly cause I dont have angle cuts on the bottom of my stringers and the hull isnt flat, will the epoxy and the glass adhire to the PL premium adhesive???????? and do I really need a fillet there? or is it pretty possible to do a inside corner with 1.5 mat? also does it really matter if I get a air bubble in it if it is only on the PL? the reason you guys dont like air pockets is because it will trap moisture and rot right? so it wouldnt matter since PL wont rot????? Hope I dont get any bubbles at all but I wouldnt count on it being my first time. My stringers are marine grade ply, CPES'ed, and are coated with epoxy, so I have some cash in them and my worst nightmare is having to grind on them with the grinder! The thought of it makes me cringe!!!! I am ready to tab this first one in as soon as I get everything acetoned, so any advise would be appriciated. I hope my thick bedding is fine? it is clean, I am surprised it didnt bubble up more than it did, it is reletively flat for the most part. I am drilling holes in that angle iron and I ran wood screws into the top of the stringer to hold it into place while I am working on them, that seems to work real well, and I would think it will keep everything in the same plain so that the sole will sit on the stringers just perfectly unlike the manufacturer had it. It would take a ton of peanut butter if I have to fillet these if mat wont stick to the PL? I also added drainage holes at the back of the stringers I hope this is also ok, I will have to try to glass that hole well, I had to have some drainage area and I didnt know where else to put the holes. please help cause I am worried! hahahahha
 

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Phazer230

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Re: First boat Resto in progress " advice needed"

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Phazer230

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Phazer230

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Re: First boat Resto in progress " advice needed"

Anyone know if the epoxy will bond to the PL adhesive? Does it look like I am on the right track??????? Any comments?
 

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yes you are on your way. epoxy will bond to just about anything, but why would you bond it to PL? do you mean when you start laying glass with epoxu resin over PL adhesive? cuz yes in that case it will, just sand the PL smooth before doing so.
 

Phazer230

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Thank you for your reply Westexasrepublic, yeah that is what I meant, I wanted to make sure I wouldn't have any issues with the glass bonding to the PL, I know ooops was worried about the same issue in his thread and fillet over it with peanut butter. I hope I can tab it and glass it without a fillet at the bottom, I guess I will try it, it will be alot cheaper that way unless I mess up and get air bubbles. Ok there is another thing I have been thinking about all morning, do you think I should glass the side of the engine mount stinger with one layer of 1.5 mat before I bond the acual engine mount to the stringer?????? I was wondering if that wouldn't be better than just bonding it to the already epoxied stringer, I didn't know If that would help prevent any moisture from getting to the wood or not? Do you know what I mean? I would glass the side of the stringer, then PL the mount to the fiberglassed stringer and hull, then glass the mount to the stringer. Or does it matter? I just figured it might seal the stringer better? I understand I might be too picky about this, but this is what that probably 600 lb 351 V8 will be sitting on, so I know it needs to be real tuff and I don't want to be in the bottom of this hull again for quite some time! Thanks for all your help! I am planning on getting this engine stringer done this weekend hopefully, we'll see. Thanks again you guys are good!
 

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I got a little more done today, I went ahead and Bonded the engine mount to the stringer and hull. I put more of a fillet around my stringer since I popped a tube of PL anyway, it is of coarse bubbling up a little but not too bad, I will sand it down smooth before laying the glass. I also coated a couple other stringers with epoxy to precoat them, I made up way too much epoxy for the job I will have to be careful with that cause that stuff is expensive! So I dug a couple other pieces out that was goin to need a good coating anyways to try to use up the epoxy. I have been using those Black and decker grinding wheels for everything, cutting and grinding, they seem to work great and I am only on my second wheel with more left on the old one for cutting in tight places. Thanks
 

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Being new to the forum and boat structure, I am having a hard time envisioning how the heck the 351 sits on that mount!:confused: At any rate, that looks like some darn sturdy work, esp when it's glassed over.

Cheers and full steam ahead!
 

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sits in there like this langdog.
 

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The manufacturers engine mount was a hollow box with foam in it, mine is solid wood and epoxy. It ought to hold that engine real well! I hope
 

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Looking real good Phaser.

I would just make sure to give the PL plenty of time to cure before glassing over it. A few days min. If you want to work faster, fillet with an epoxy/filler mixture.

I've read a couple posts where people were having issues with glassing over uncured PL.

Keep up the good work.:)
 

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I got a little bit more done today, bedded and fillet 2 more stringers. I went through a ton of PL to fill those grooves.
 

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Hi, today I worked with fiberglassing for the very first time! I tabbed my outer stringer, it took alot longer than I thought it would, alot more resin too :eek:. The only part I had a hard time with was getting the glass to stay down it the PL fillet, I had to keep pushing it down with sqeegie. I am goin to have to inject some epoxy in some air gaps I had around the pl in one spot, it was either that or get a bunch of wrinkles. overall I think it will turn out ok.
 

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You have a lot of air in that layup. Especially at the base? Is that glass in between the stringer and your shell or some form of putty?
I would schedule another mat and woven layup.
Any air in fiberglass is a bad thing...
 

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Re: First boat Resto in progress " advice needed"

You have a lot of air in that layup. Especially at the base? Is that glass in between the stringer and your shell or some form of putty?
I would schedule another mat and woven layup.
Any air in fiberglass is a bad thing...

hi bcddd214, I think what you are seeing is a heck of a fillet of Pl premium. I have a 3" strip of glass under a 7" strip 8' long. I sure dont think there was all that much air in there it seemed to go pretty well except in that one area I will have to fill. but I knew that when doing the job. The pl is a yellowish color, is this what you are seeing????
 

Phazer230

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I looked at the photos again, I think what you are seeing is the 3" wide strip on the bottom?
 
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