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Scott Danforth

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Ugh! Never mind...doesn't matter - the boatplug led light I had installed keeps the drain tube from being able to come through the garbard fitting, so using the drain tube to drain my oil is no longer an option anyway... :-(
put an IB67 rated connector on the wires
 

achris

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Ugh! Never mind...doesn't matter - the boatplug led light I had installed keeps the drain tube from being able to come through the garbard fitting, so using the drain tube to drain my oil is no longer an option anyway... :-(
Just curious, why would you want a light on the drain plug?
 

Lou C

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yes why does a boat plug need to be lighted?
you got bigger fish to fry here!
I think you need a good primary bilge pump, a higher up mounted back up pump and seperate float swtiches!
did you change the oil yet? Don't forget you can just warm up the engine and use the garden hose threaded fitting on the top of the dipstick tube.
get the drive off and see if there is water in the bellows, if so the gimble is rusting as we speak, as are the u joints.
 

tank1949

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and one 2000 g/ph bilge pump with a LOUD alarm. One "aw-sh..." will wipe out fifty "at-a-boys."
 

Lou C

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I didn't have room for 2 pumps so I wired up alligator clips and a bilge hose to a Rule 2,000 gph emergency pump that I can drop in the bilge if something bad happens.
I did this after my raw water hose popped off the P/S cooler on the back of the engine, (2013) flooded the bilge with sea water and overheated the engine.
It was that day, that I decided that any future boats for me had to be outboard powered. My bilge pump kept up but imagine having an overheated engine, and seeing water up to the pulleys salt water spraying everywhere. That little incident lead to my top end overhaul a few years later (2016/2017). And I still stick by what I said, I might repower this boat but if I bought a newer boat outboards ONLY!
 

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I didn't have room for 2 pumps so I wired up alligator clips and a bilge hose to a Rule 2,000 gph emergency pump that I can drop in the bilge if something bad happens.
I did this after my raw water hose popped off the P/S cooler on the back of the engine, (2013) flooded the bilge with sea water and overheated the engine.
It was that day, that I decided that any future boats for me had to be outboard powered. My bilge pump kept up but imagine having an overheated engine, and seeing water up to the pulleys salt water spraying everywhere. That little incident lead to my top end overhaul a few years later (2016/2017). And I still stick by what I said, I might repower this boat but if I bought a newer boat outboards ONLY!
Indeed! Boaters in NW Florida are repowering with OB as well. Too much maintenance on I/Os, not to mention safety concerns. However, on my restoration, I remembered all my years of tragedies and added safety redundancies and alarms whenever possible. When fumes or water enter bilge, loud alarms go off, but it is still not perfect. MCs are a lot cheaper to rebuild or replace than OBs. BUT, if I had an extra 60 grand, I would have installed two Yamies. Just my 2 cents....
 

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I agree that outboards are very expensive to buy and to repair eventually. However, for newer boats, the I/O parts prices esp the cat converter exhaust are nearly as bad. I/Os made sense when the engines were simple carb engines with standard exhaust and outboards were less reliable 2 strokes. Now, given that both Merc and Volvo I/O parts prices are much higher than for the old boats that many of us own, that set up just doesn't make sense.
If I get a newer boat it will be approx the same size and can be powered with a single outboard 150-175 hp to keep costs in line.
 

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I agree that outboards are very expensive to buy and to repair eventually. However, for newer boats, the I/O parts prices esp the cat converter exhaust are nearly as bad. I/Os made sense when the engines were simple carb engines with standard exhaust and outboards were less reliable 2 strokes. Now, given that both Merc and Volvo I/O parts prices are much higher than for the old boats that many of us own, that set up just doesn't make sense.
If I get a newer boat it will be approx the same size and can be powered with a single outboard 150-175 hp to keep costs in line.
I am really old. I didn't know that MCs now require Cats?????
 

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This is what killed inboards for me. Since 2012, all inboards have been required by the EPA to have this super expensive cat converter exhaust with upstream and downstream O2 sensors, just like modern cars. Mercruiser, Volvo, PCM, Crusader etc. And, when it comes time to replace them, I know a friend who got an estimate of $4500 on a Merc V6. Not just that, but who would want a heat generator like a cat converter in the engine compartment of a fiberglass boat? I'm still astounded that the EPA got away with this making inboards both more expensive and more dangerous both at the same time. That's the main reason I'll never buy one of those, but the other outboard advantages just kind of sealed the deal for me.
 

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This is what killed inboards for me. Since 2012, all inboards have been required by the EPA to have this super expensive cat converter exhaust with upstream and downstream O2 sensors, just like modern cars. Mercruiser, Volvo, PCM, Crusader etc. And, when it comes time to replace them, I know a friend who got an estimate of $4500 on a Merc V6. Not just that, but who would want a heat generator like a cat converter in the engine compartment of a fiberglass boat? I'm still astounded that the EPA got away with this making inboards both more expensive and more dangerous both at the same time. That's the main reason I'll never buy one of those, but the other outboard advantages just kind of sealed the deal for me.
4500 bucks?????? Good grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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bring the hose up to the front of the engine and hook your oil pump directly to it
 
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