Force 125 questions...

gdean7

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I recently purchased a 1985 Bayliner Bowrider with a Force 125 motor. This bad hadn't been run since '97. Although, the final time the previos owners removed it from the water, they did a full maintenence check for it. They replaced what needed, and corrected all problems, mainly for winterizing. They just never got around to putting the boat back in the water again. I recently gassed it up and took it out on the lake just to find that the max speed says 30 MPH. Now to me, this doesn't sound right. It smells as if the carbs are running rich, and i'm not sure how to tweak them. I'm a novice when it comes to boat, a know-nothing as one would say. Although, i'm quite handy when it comes to vehicles. <br /> Would anyone have any suggestions for me as far as tweaking the carbs, or any maintenence that may fail in the time it was garaged? Unfortunently the tach doesn't work, so I can't judge on RPMs, more by listening to the engine, and the smell of the gasoline. It's a 2 cycle engine, 4 cyl. So having two carbs makes it very difficult to get them exact. I don't have a book for it, and am not sure where to get one, so I can't look it up, unfortunently. Any information would be greatly appreciated!! <br /><br /> Thanks, <br /><br /> Garrett :)
 

gotsaved

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Re: Force 125 questions...

i bought the same boat and the same motor 3 years ago. i had the same problem. the carbs need to be cleaned and new kit. get a manual and tune up step by step. gas could also be bad<br />i changed from 19 pitch prop to 15 and man did that help.<br />i run a 17 with lighter loads. make sure you are firing on all 4. should turn 5000 to 5500at wide open trimmed out. lot of people talk bad about these motors but mines been good to me.
 

eurolarva

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Re: Force 125 questions...

here is a link to a good manual Syloc Manual for Force <br /><br />The smell of gas could be a number of things. When you pump the primer bulb does it stay hard? Do this with the cowling off and watch the carbs to see if any gas is leaking out of them. As mentioned cleaning and rebuilding the carbs should be done. Also replace the diaphram in the fuel pump. Costs about ten buck for a fuel pump rebuild kit. Replace all fuel lines with new ones and run the first 6 gallons of gas mixed 24 to 1 then go back to the normal 50 to 1 ratio. Make sure you use marine grade oil and not conventional two stroke oil that is used for things like weed wackers and chain saws.<br /><br />Get the manual first. If you cant wait look up syloc or outboard service manuals in your local library. The manual will walk you through tasks with pictures to make it easier for you to work on this motor. Impeller should be replaced as well. After sitting around for 8 years the rubber will develop a memory and become brittle. Also drain and replace the lower unit oil.
 

gdean7

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Re: Force 125 questions...

Well, as I stated before, I'm a boat novice. Sorry, but what is an impeller, and pitch prop? If they need to be changed, does anyone know the general cost? Sadly, i'm a college student with a limited budget. Thanks for your help!!!
 

roscoe

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Re: Force 125 questions...

Welcome to iboats.<br /><br />The impeller is the rubber paddle wheel inside the waterpump. If it fails, and they do as the rubber breaks down, you will overheat the engine. Force motors DO NOT like to be overheated.<br /><br />Props are measured by their diameter, and their pitch.<br />Picth refers to the theoretical distance the prop would travel thru the water when turned one full revolution, given that there was no drag or slippage. So the pitch is measured in inches.<br /><br />A small pitch prop (13) would only travel 13 inches. Since the motor only has to push it thru 13 inches of water, it is easy to do, like driving your car in first gear.<br /><br />With a large pitch prop (23) , the motor has to work harder to push the prop thru 23 inches of water, kind of like trying to start out with your car in third gear.<br /><br />By selecting the correct pitch prop, you can keep the engine in the recommended maximun rpm range at wide open throttle (WOT). A lower pitched prop will allow the engine to turn more rpm. A higher pitch prop will lower the maximum attainable rpm. You don't want to over rev your engine, but you do want to be able to get the rpm up near the maximum recommended rpm. This is done to manage the load that is placed on the engine.<br /><br />You need to have a tach to do this properly.<br />You can get a tach from www.tinytach.com , call them to order it so you get the right model, about $37.<br /><br />1- buy a repair manual, Seloc or Clymers brand, $35, read it :) <br />2- replace the impeller, $15-25, BEFORE you run the motor again <br />3- buy a compression gauge and check the compression<br />4- new sparkplugs<br />5- fresh gas<br />6- check for a strong spark on all plugs<br /><br />If the compression and spark are good, then move on to the fuel pump diaphram and carbs, rebuilding and syncronizing - This is critical as you cannot allow a 2 cycle motor to run lean, or it will burn up.<br /><br />Read these pages:<br /><br /> http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000015 <br /><br /> http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000016 <br /><br /> http://www.boat-props.com/prop_info_2.cgi?page=rpm <br /><br />If the engine is in good condition, you should be able to get all these things done, including rebuilding the carbs, for under $200. Then you will know it is right and should be reasonably reliable.<br /><br />You mentuoned 30 mph af full throttle. <br />How big is this boat?<br />Are you using the in boat speedometer or a gps unit?<br />Old boat speedometers are not very accurate.
 

gdean7

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Re: Force 125 questions...

The boat is 19 feet, and the speedometer on the boat is what I was judging by. Thanks so much for the help! Although, i'm still a bit confused about the impeller heh. Also, Should I get a different pitch prop?
 

roscoe

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Re: Force 125 questions...

Ok, the impeller is a part of the waterpump that pressurizes and pushes the water to cool your engine. Outboard waterpumps are not like an automotive waterpump, or any other normal waterpump. They will be explained in the repair manual that you are about to buy. :) <br />The impeller needs to be replaced every few years, before the rubber parts wear out, or break off, and get pumped into the motor. If the impeller wears out or fails, you could very quickly overheat your motor and warp the head or blow up the motor.<br /><br />So, it is normal maintenance for owners to do, if they want their motors to last a while.<br /><br />No, don't invest any money in a different prop until you get the motor checked out and are sure that it is worth spending the money on a new prop. You also would have no idea on which new prop to buy without first knowing .... 1) that your motor is running properly, and .... 2) what your rpm's are at WOT with your current prop. The prop you have now may very well be the best choice.<br /><br />I would order the tinytach, the impeller, a compression gauge, and the manual, and go from there.
 
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Re: Force 125 questions...

I have an 89 bayliner with a force 125 and it maxes out about 37mph at 5300rpm...

Hope this helps!
 
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