Freed Iraquis riding on American Tanks

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Heck yea go after Syria.<br /><br />They are the number one country to offer assistance to terrorist and people like Saddam.<br /><br />Some people just can't get their heads out of the sand long enough to see what's really going on.
 

12Footer

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Hey, Iraq.This marine will now show you the art and freedom of fishing! He used noodles from his MRE. Didn't catch anything. But it's the effort that counts!!!Semper fi!!
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DJ

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What a GREAT day! Freedom is priceless.<br /><br />We are SO BLESSED!!
 

Reel Appeal

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Wow!,what a sight to see.History in the making.God bless the troops over there.I'am so happy for the Iraqi people who want peace and freedom.The smiles on their faces and hugging of U.S.troops says it all.Although there is alot of uncertanty now,I think most people here and elsewhere share a view of optimism for the future of Iraq.I beleive Pres. Bush is a man of his word and those that question what he says should review what he has already stated.The new Iraq is to be governed by the people of Iraq.I seriously doubt this administration wants to dominate the middle east.If Syria is a country that supports/shelters terrorists like Saddam,they should be accountable and dealt with.This war is about seizing weapons that the U.N. said Iraq should not posess,freeing the Iraqi people of a mass murdering dictator,making other countries safer from WMD,and stopping a dangerous/unpredictable man and his regime before he kills more people.If the U.S. and other countries get some oil benefit from this war,so be it.The country of Iraq should get the most benefit.OPEC has too much control over oil now,thats why I'm paying $2.00 gallon.
 

FlyBoyMark

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Plywoody..If it was about oil GW would have done nothing and let the oil prices go off the scale so his CAPPED wells could be opened..there is also a glut of oil on the market now and the Arabs are throtteling the amount they give us. And of course Saddam is not a threat to us ....now. What do you think of the value of the respect the US has gained in the Arab states? (and I don't care about them "liking" us..)
 

durk187

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How can you argue with a liberal when the point is always changing? First it was UN approval of 1441(how bout 100% approval) then the thousands of troops that were going to die, then this, then that, then oil, then its not our buisness. <br /><br />Man how do you guys make it to work in the morning, you know you might get in a car wreck and die. <br /><br />Hell, why do anything at all. <br /><br />What luck for rulers that men do not think.<br />-Adolf Hitler
 

chiques

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Im reading all that you guys write there, I agree with the freedom for everyone, I agree with the war to those that are against you people, but I really hope that you guys do not take the oil from the iraqi people, that is their oil as Venezuelan oil is mine. If the NORTH-American people take over the prize of the oil you will be the ones who will kill many childrens. I know that you pay 2 $ a gallon of oil, but you have to understand that here in venezuela we produce the oil for you, and many other countries in the world, but we still have many children dying of hungry, and many others social problems. So, first of all, lets rebuild this world, because it is not fair.
 

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Chiques, it's not about oil. We dont want the oil(yes we want to buy it, but not take it). We want the Iraqis to find peace and prosperity with their oil to make a safer middle east for us all. Why some(a clear and underwhelming minority)Americans don't get that is beyond me. I can understand the "all about oil" rhetoric coming from the Iraqi spokesman, because his chief aim is to discredit our motives. It will take years to unfold, but this will be the conclusion of history.
 

KennyKenCan

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The Plyman already has been proven wrong time and time again, but he still doesn't get it!
 

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I'll wade in here for fun.<br /><br />Unlike my government, I support the use of force in Iraq.<br /><br />I would have preferred it be UN backed, but when that was not going to happen, I agreed with the US going in with whatever support they could garner. I think it was important for a variety of reasons.<br /><br />But I have to ask "What is next for Iraq". I don't buy that the US will now control the oil. I think that is just a stupid comment from those who want to trash the US. Maybe time will prove me wrong, but I doubt it. <br /><br />But will a democracy ensue? Should one?<br /><br />I think if a government arises out of this, whether democratic or not, that does not oppress it's own people, gives voice to the various nationalities (Kurd, Shiite etc) and becomes a stable influence in the area, then the impact will be far greater than anyone could imagine.<br /><br />If the US imposes a democracy based on it's friendlyness to the US (or at least a primary criteria), then more trouble will ensue.<br /><br />I applaud the work the US has done but am waiting to see the final outcome (years away, I know) to really get a sense of if this was worth it.
 

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Tacklewasher,<br /><br />Could not agree more.<br /><br />It's goin to take some time to find out what happens, possibly a year or more.<br /><br />I just don't understand why the news media feels that they should have an answer to the question yesterday , this is a work in progress situation, but the news media feals that they have to have the answers now, so they are hellbent to be the first to report it, and get a Nobel Prize for their reporting.<br /><br />The biggest obstacle in Iraq is the news media !<br /><br />Their concern is not for the Iraqi people, or for a stable middle-east, or any other just cause or situation, it's all about which award can they get to put them on top of the ratings!<br /><br />That is why the news media covered the war protesters instead of the majority of Americans who supported the war, because the war protestors, they knew, would become violent and thats a story, supporting the troops and the government is boring, and doesn't sell newspapers or attract viewers to their station, so why cover it.<br /><br />The news media needs to stay out of Post-war Iraq!
 

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Iraq was a democracy at one time, so it's not such<br />a leap. 40 mill. gal of oil a day will help make<br />the transition easier. keepin the French/Russian<br />fingers off is the key IMHO... not to mention the UN!<br />but that's a new thread all-together :eek: <br /><br />Iraq has the tools to become a thriving deomcracy.<br />it is in our interest to make them the envy of the<br />entire region (if'n we's smart) :)
 

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"it is in our interest to make them the envy of the entire region (if'n we's smart)"<br /><br />This is exactly right.
 

plywoody

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So just exactly where have I been proven wrong? In anything I have said.<br />We fought the war in Afghanistan for liberation of the Afghan people. So why did we have exactly $0.00 in Bush's 2003 budget for rebuilding Afghanistan? Congress added 300 mill, but that is just peanuts anyway.<br />And the country is in chaos and turmoil-we have 9000 troops there, and only Kabul is even remotely secure, and the warlords with their poppy production intact control the country.<br />Is this what we are offering Iraq in the name of "liberation"? We are certainly doing nothing at present to change that situation.<br />And no, chiques, we do not want to "own" the Iraqi oil. Only control production of it. Sure there is a glut right now. OPEC is trying to cut production to maintain prices. Once Iraq is up and pumping, OPEC can no longer do that. We then control the world oil price--Or at least that is how the theory works. We will need, of course, a "cooperative" Iraqi government.<br />And I do not take credit for all "liberal" arguments. Whatever they are. I only take credit for my own. And they have been consistent to this day. I stand by them.
 

12Footer

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In an earlier post, Plywoody said, "In the current conflict, for example, which we are probably no more than days away, our goal of turning Iraq into an oasis of democracy is simple fantasy--Not to mention that we have shown with out actions thruout the world that simple democracy is not good enough--we demand a democracy that agrees with our position."<br /><br />I wont do this to you again,even though the ability exists. I'm only pointing this out in response to your challenge...so there ya go..<br />Back to the debate, I know many liberals like Plywoody who I have spoken or debated with, have this desire to cure the worlds ills through peacefull means. This is very noble, but trying to explain this practice as basicly flawed (the conservative response),is to spit into the stove.<br />We tried that route in korea once,and later, in Vietnam.<br />We gave out gajillions of tons of food and aid,and it fed and aided the ones with the biggest guns. It's just the way the human animal is,when they are raised in squallor, hunger and poverty, with many siblings, while thier leaders (the strongest men and the ones with guns), drive the smelly streets in thier Land Rovers and Humvees. Nobody can question your intentions, my liberal friend. But you simply must wake up here.<br />Don't let us conservatives tell you what is the truth, as you have found it to be somehow one lie after another. Don't listen to the guys we listen to,like Limbaugh or Caputo. Just listen to those you want to believe.Just keep wishing the world was a better place. Wish for all you are worth, while others make the world a better place.<br />In other words, wish in one hand, and----<br /><br />Just don't let them rent-a-mobs block the road on my way to work,huh?<br />They knock my front end outta alignment!
 

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You did say Ply, that the Iraqis would not welcome us, that we would not be seen as liberators... Just one example off the top of my head.
 

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We were led to believe, prior to the war, that we would be greeted with flowers on the way in to Baghdad. We have over one hundred dead American soldiers, along with a couple dozen MIA's and POW's, and chaos and looting in the streets as we speak.<br /><br />I don't know about you, but I've seen friendlier welcomes.<br /><br />Sure many are glad Saddam is gone. I am one of them. I think, depending on what happens in the short and long term, will go a long way in determing how glad the Iraqis are with our presence. From what I can tell, with all the turmoil even within our own State Department and DOD regarding what comes next, (which is referred to as Gulf War III, BTW) the verdict is not in yet as to how pleased the Iraqis are with our presence.<br /><br />I know you will be sorry to hear this, but I am off again to Detroit for 3 weeks or so, so you won't hear from me in that interval, but please don't take that as me conceeding anything.<br /><br />As far as 12 footers quote, the only thing that proves is that you don't agree with me. That is hardly a startling relevation.
 

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Oh yea blacksmoke, thats what its all about anyway.<br /><br />Ratings war.
 
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