French advanced SAMs in Iraq

Ralph 123

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Boy they are really trying to hide this story. Here is a link and the story from the Boston Globe<br /><br /> http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2003/10/04/polish_troops_uncover_french_built_missiles/ <br /><br />Polish troops uncover French-built missiles<br />By Pawel Kozlowski, Reuters, 10/4/2003<br /><br />WARSAW -- Polish troops in Iraq have found four French-made advanced antiaircraft missiles that were built this year, a Polish Defense Ministry spokesman said yesterday.<br /> <br />France strongly denied having sold any such missiles to Iraq for nearly two decades, and said it was impossible that its newest missiles should turn up there.<br /><br />"Polish troops discovered an ammunition depot on Sept. 29 near the region of Hilla, and there were four French-made Roland-type missiles," Defense Ministry spokesman Eugeniusz Mleczak said.<br /><br />"It is not the first time Polish troops found ammunition in Iraq, but to our surprise these missiles were produced in 2003."<br /><br />The Roland antiaircraft system is a short-range air-defense missile in service in at least 10 countries, including Germany.<br /><br />They are fired from a mobile launcher vehicle, and defense specialists say the missiles are highly effective against aircraft attacking at low or medium altitudes.<br /><br />Under a strict trade embargo imposed by the United Nations, Iraq was barred from importing arms after its invasion of Kuwait in 1990.<br /><br />Russia, Britain, and France, among others, sold arms to Iraq in the 1970s and 1980s. In Iraq's arsenal were Soviet-built Scud missiles, British Chieftain tanks, and French Mirage fighters.<br /><br />But Iraq circumvented the arms-trade ban in the 1990s through shadowy deals with various traders, and kept its military equipment functioning.<br /><br />"Since July 1990, France has not authorized a single shipment of military equipment to Iraq," a French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said. Similar accusations surfaced in the US media in April, she said.<br /><br />From 1980 to 1981, 13 Roland-1 missile systems were shipped to Iraq, and from 1983 to 1986, 100 Roland-2 missile systems. The Roland-3 has never been exported to Iraq, she said.<br /><br />"It is not credible to say that the Roland missiles found a few days ago were produced in 2003 and delivered just before the Anglo-American intervention," the spokeswoman said. "Let's be absolutely clear about this: No military exports to Iraq were licensed after July 1990."<br /><br />It was unlikely that the missiles could be used almost 18 years after their delivery, she added.<br /><br />Mleczak said an Iraqi told Polish troops about the missiles and received a reward for the information.<br /><br />"The ammunition depot was neutralized," Mleczak said. Polish television pictures showed missiles placed in a shallow trench and a huge explosion when the Poles blew up the munitions
 

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...taking it in the butt 7/24.......They have have him pinned down until after the election.....If he were to pick another fight they would crucify him.
I'm being far more anxious then unrealistic.<br />How real do you want it? <br />As you've pointed out above and as I said, at present he's become ineffective.<br />As we've both pointed out, the lib's, media and the lack of WMD's are now in control of the situation.<br /><br />What's realistic is that time, inaction, the loss of control is working against him. <br /><br />Realistically by the time the election comes around we could have five hundred more dead in Iraq.<br />Realistically he'll have less support in the future.<br />Realistically more will forget 9/11. <br />Realistically N. Korea could have a half dozen more warheads.<br />Realistically Iran could be processing plutonium by that time.<br />Realistically our borders are still open and we're still vulnerable.<br />Realistically the terrorists are patient, we've been both good and lucky, and it's likely we'll get punched again.<br /><br />I'm being more realistic then making assumptions that Bush will get re-elected, have the support to pull off the gloves, or have a team that is better then the one that are advising him now and made miscalculations concerning WMD's.<br /><br />Understand that I'm not looking at this like plywoody at all. This makes me fear for my country more then a desire to have liberals in power. And I'm disappointed in Bush rather the loath him. <br /><br />Ralph, I have no other choice then to be patient until the next election. But if he's gotten himself in the position that we're not able to move forward in his next term. He would have made a major dangerous blunder, and placed this country in jeopardy.
 

Ralph 123

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He can't act until he's provoked or we are going to end up with a Democrat in the White House and then, IMHO, we will really be in a world of sh!t I'm ok with laying the ground work for the next a$$ woopin and playing defense until he can take the gloves back off. There is no way congress is going to authorize another big move right now anyway (baring provication).
 
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