Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

[ondarvr]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

I don't worry about ethanol, water seperation, etc. My tanks are clean, my hoses are replaced yearly, I use up the gas I buy so it dosen't sit, I store my boats empty during the off season, and a full fuel system flush and cleaning is part of my pre-season maintenance. I don't have any nagging worries about it when I'm out on the water because I know it's bulletproof. Sure, it costs a bit, but knowing my stuff is reliable is worth it.

Art

I have had no issues also. My preferred method is to turn off the key at the end of the season and turn it to start at the beginning of the next season. Every now and then if I remember and have it around, I will add some type of fuel stabilizer, but most times not.

 

[wifisher]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

Fuel caps and vents have nothing to do with the water in gas. Ethenol being E10 and now the new E15 creates the water itself. Get a tester on line and when you get fuel use the tester and it will tell you how much water to gas is in the fuel.

This must be the cause of all the flooding this year. All of the gas is creating too much water, and there is nowhere for it to go.

 

[metriccrescentwrench]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

keep an eye on that, you have two different metals in electrical (direct) contact with one another, causing a composition corrosion cell. Stainless is higher in the galvanic series than copper, so it is the anode. Watch the stainless flange around that copper for corrosion.

NOT the case with non-conducting liquids. Galvanic corrosion happens when a dissimilar metals come in contact with an electrolyte (a liquid with free ions which can conduct electricity). Gasoline is a very poor conductor (far less conductive than water), so galvanic corrosion isn't really a concern (unless that darned pesky gasahol starts making too much water ).

 

[dingbat]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

NOT the case with non-conducting liquids. Galvanic corrosion happens when a dissimilar metals come in contact with an electrolyte (a liquid with free ions which can conduct electricity). Gasoline is a very poor conductor (far less conductive than water), so galvanic corrosion isn't really a concern (unless that darned pesky gasahol starts making too much water ).

An electrolyte is simply an electrically conducting fluid. Almost any fluid falls into this category, with distilled water as an exception. Even rain water and atmospheric condensation are likely to become sufficiently conducting after contact with common environmental contaminants.

Corrosion is a complicated issue, depending on the combinations of materials and the fluids, the fluid temperatures, the surrounding environment and the galvanic currents in the constructions. A connection involving two dissimilar materials should be avoided at all times if at all possible.

 

[Bob_VT]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

There is no E15.
E15 is allowed to be used in MY2001+ light vehicles. It is not a mandate.


In January 2011 the EPA granted a waiver to allow up to 15% of ethanol blended with gasoline to be sold only for cars and light pickup trucks with a model year of 2001 or laterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures#cite_note-NYT1013-57http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures#cite_note-USAToday1013-58http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures#cite_note-59.
The EPA also decided not to grant any waiver for E15 use in any motorcycles, heavy-duty vehicles, or non-road engines because current testing data does not support such a waiver. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ethanol_fuel_mixtures#cite_note-NYT012111-61
As EPA waiver authorize but does not require stations to offer E15, a practical barrier to the commercialization of the higher blend is the lack of infrastructure, similar to the limitations suffered by sales of E85, as most fuel stations do not have enough pumps to offer the new blend, few existing pumps are certified to dispense E15, and there are no dedicated tanks readily available to store E15. Also some state and federal regulations would have to change before E15 can be legally sold."

I give up Yup that is the right poop and it has been stated here on iboats and everywhere on the net. PEOPLE ARE LAZY and do not search but would rather scream the sky is falling!

I just have a hard time trying to figure out if it is sad how people fail to search or if it is worse that they may be too lazy to search.

 

[Thalasso]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

Sorry to tell you, the Epa in the state you reside in controlls what you use.In Pa you will be using E15

 

[Thalasso]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

Sorry to tell you, the Epa in the state you reside in controlls what you use.In Pa you will be using E15

You really don't think gas stations are going to tank E10 and E15 for whatever use you need, do you? It will be E15

 

[wifisher]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

Did you just quote yourself? Is that like talking in the fourth person?

 

[metriccrescentwrench]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

You really don't think gas stations are going to tank E10 and E15 for whatever use you need, do you? It will be E15

Not for the forseeable future. The waiver allows the use of E15 ONLY in vehicles no older than 2001. If you've got a 2000 model year vehicle you can't use E15, gas stations will have the choice of having 2 sets of tanks and pumps, or else they'll stick to E10.

Also, just in case anyone hasn't heard this part of it - it was a group of chemical companies which manufacture ethanol that petitioned EPA to allow the use of E15. And as already pointed out, EPA's finding was merely that there was nothing harmful in the use of E15 in 2001 and newer vehicles, nothing more.

 

[PiratePast40]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

Not for the forseeable future. The waiver allows the use of E15 ONLY in vehicles no older than 2001. If you've got a 2000 model year vehicle you can't use E15, gas stations will have the choice of having 2 sets of tanks and pumps, or else they'll stick to E10.

Also, just in case anyone hasn't heard this part of it - it was a group of chemical companies which manufacture ethanol that petitioned EPA to allow the use of E15. And as already pointed out, EPA's finding was merely that there was nothing harmful in the use of E15 in 2001 and newer vehicles, nothing more.

I'll be making another trip to Iowa next month. I'll be sure to tell them that the E15 pumps at the station don't really exist as I fill up the flex fuel rental car!

 

[metriccrescentwrench]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

I'll be making another trip to Iowa next month. I'll be sure to tell them that the E15 pumps at the station don't really exist as I fill up the flex fuel rental car!

Your twisting my words. E15 is allowed to be used in vehicles made in 2001 and later, but not in vehicles older than that. It's up to the gas stations whether or not they want to install a 2nd set of tanks and pumps to handle both E15 and E10.

 

[PiratePast40]

Re: Fuel concerns,ethanol,startron,alum or stainles tanks, it effects us all!!!

Your twisting my words. E15 is allowed to be used in vehicles made in 2001 and later, but not in vehicles older than that. It's up to the gas stations whether or not they want to install a 2nd set of tanks and pumps to handle both E15 and E10.

I made a mistake and quoted the wrong person. I was responding to the comment about stations not having separate tanks for different concentrrations of ethanol.

Sorry for stepping on your toes, the comment was not directed at you.