Gas treatment ?????

[Philster]

Re: Gas treatment ?????

I suggest Colon Blow cereal for personal flushing.

For my boat's fuel tanks, I drop in green StaBil almost everytime, because I never know my layup time between outings. Right now, she sits full with non-ethanol fuel, and no StaBil, but I feel naked without it.

For this subject, science becomes irrelevant. Just like 3k mile oil changes in cars. People who are fanatics will always do it, and their cars will last forever.... but not because they change the oil every 3k miles, but because they are the obsessive types who take care of everything, sometimes obsessively.

 

[H20Rat]

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For this subject, science becomes irrelevant. Just like 3k mile oil changes in cars. People who are fanatics will always do it, and their cars will last forever.... but not because they change the oil every 3k miles, but because they are the obsessive types who take care of everything, sometimes obsessively.

For the true oil geeks there is science behind that. Some cars do need an oil change in 3k miles, but the only way you can tell is with a used oil analysis. (UOA). Blackstone labs is the one I prefer, every vehicle gets at least one analysis per year. My subaru likes OCI's of no more than 4k miles (hard use, turbocharged, lots of heat), but my pulling vehicle can go 6k OCI's with very good oil left at that point.

 

[JoLin]

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some sta-bil at the end of the season, otherwise nothing...

+2. I used to use Sta-bil with every fill, and Seafoam pretty often. I've been filling the tank often so moved away from the additives. If it sat around alot I'd probably go back to Sta-bil.

I can't even tell you if the gas docks I use sell ethanol. I don't pay any attention to it one way or the other.

 

[Philster]

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smokingcrater:

You clarify my point: Most people don't apply any science. They just change oil every 3k miles. You've pretty much brought science into your oil change intervals; others don't. Ergo, it's essentially irrelevant to people.

Comes down to what makes one tick and what makes people sleep at night. Science doesn't usually do it. Some obsessive routine does it.

 

[skargo]

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For the true oil geeks there is science behind that. Some cars do need an oil change in 3k miles, but the only way you can tell is with a used oil analysis. (UOA). Blackstone labs is the one I prefer, every vehicle gets at least one analysis per year. My subaru likes OCI's of no more than 4k miles (hard use, turbocharged, lots of heat), but my pulling vehicle can go 6k OCI's with very good oil left at that point.

I use Blackstone on all our street vehicles, they have me on 10K mile change intervals in my diesel truck. It's nice not throwing 3 gallons of oil away when it's not used up yet!

 

[Texasmark]

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The only proven good idea is to use the boat often, so the fuel is fresh,

Therein lies the caveat Chris.

 

[ondarvr]

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Red and Green Stabil are the exact same formulation. The only difference is the "marine" price and the green ?supposedly? has 4 times the cleaners; as if ethanol doesn't do a good enough job of cleaner your fuel system . I use whatever is on sale.

Correct, people like to think the advertising says more than it does, if you read the label you'll see db is right. Although they will help to keep the fuel fresh, none of them will help in any way to prevent phase separation, which is the real problem.

I use nothing, I try to use stabil at the end of the season, but the last bottle I bought has been sitting on the work bench for 3 years. I have no problems and run E-10 almost 100% of the time.

 

[SteveRoss]

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Hey!! Cat fights are always good. Keep it up folks. Who gives a big s&#% what color the stabilizer is or what kind it is or what brand it is or how often it gets changed. On this subject, everyone will have a different opinion. Good luck sorting it out it out guys.... just calm down a bit... OK ???

 

[Chris1956]

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Cat fight? No, I am simply asking for more than advertising or hype on the usefulness of an additive. if the stuff is that good, there ought to be some emperical evidence that shows it.

Now I know syphoning water out of a fuel tank works, as you can prove it by inspection, and we all know water in a fuel tank is bad, right. That is an emperical example. Anyone have something similar for the red, green, blue additives?

As an example, Startron bills itself as an "enzyme" that modifies how gas burns. It also claims dramatically increased fuel economy. We must have some chemists or at least advertising executives, who can cite some evidence of this.

Sorry, I am an engineer, and hear a lot of claims on methods to lower cost and increase efficiency. Most turn out to be based upon guesses or wishes, and not science.

 

[skargo]

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*click* <-----sound of me unsubscribing...

 

[LX Kid]

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I'm going with Formula X2 treatment. I watched a "Ship Shape Tv" video on it and I'm sold! Watch the liink below and see if you agree with me. If not, why not!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkalEYeoJKE

 

[americaneagler77]

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aww so sad

*click* <-----sound of me unsubscribing...

that formula looks interesting, id be willing to try it, im glad it shot down stabil quickly

 

[LX Kid]

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aww so sad


that formula looks interesting, id be willing to try it, im glad it shot down stabil quickly

What does he mean by "un-subscribing?" Did'nt he have anything constructive to post about gas treatments?

 

[Rocky_Road]

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I'm going with Formula X2 treatment. I watched a "Ship Shape Tv" video on it and I'm sold! Watch the liink below and see if you agree with me. If not, why not!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkalEYeoJKE

My only observation is that Sta-Bil, Startron, etc. never claimed to REMOVE water from your gas tank...they clearly state that they have to be used at fillup to retard phase seperation. In fact...they tell you that you can't get the desired effect if the fuel has been sitting untreated for any length of time. They are a preventative...the video clearly fails to mention this, and does exactly what Sta-Bil says not to do: try to restore old, seperated, fuel after the fact.

Now...if we can believe what we saw as honest as to their additive, then their product may help any seperated water to be safely burned. This may keep some of us from draining questionable (old) gas from our tanks. I will probably try this in my PWC which has been idle for the last 15 months.

In short: the demonstration using Sta-Bil was rigged and the opposite of the Sta-Bil instructions as to use. But the demonstration of the Formula X2 was impressive, and may be the answer for old fuel that has already phase seperated.

Happy boating!

Edit: I just realized that they used the original (red) Sta-Bil product...not the marine (ethanol) blue formula. Oversight, on their part?