GREENSPAN SPEAKS!!

JRJ

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Re: GREENSPAN SPEAKS!!

Appreciate the ideas. At this point, I'm in a let it ride mode which is still 20% over a year ago8)Not a life style maker or breaker in any eventd:)
 

stevieray

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OldMercsRule said:
Hey Stevieray, If we all knew how vulnerable we were with our own single family houses as they fluctuated on a ticker tape, (which they don't so it is easy to ignore that huge risk we all face), you could make the exact same statement about that sector. I admit that the vast ocean of investors out there are quite similar to you, (I dealt with many people who I usually assumed were smarter then me to accumulate all their wealth that I helped them with). The sucessfull ones were very good at what they do, confident of risks (that actually are far bigger then the markets), that they deal with in their business lives every day, and do not consider risks at all because: they understand them. It would not be hard at all to design a SS plan just like a giant 401-k plan that Corporations have. You could design the plan to dampen the market risks, and heavily discourage speculation. You could have as many as ten choices or so with various mixtures of Large Cap/ Mid Cap/ Small cap domestic equities and Government/Corporate bonds of various maturities. Maybe a small allocation of large/mid cap foriegn based equities and Corp and Soveriegn Bonds in one of the options. You would allow only a very limited ability to switch the portfolio from sub account to sub account, and place a transaction cost to penalize speculators who tried to play agressively. You would have a, (default) T-Bill account that would be absolutely as secure as the USA is. The MAJOR point here Stevieray is this: You, I and every one would own a small portion of our forced savings plan and could pass it on to our kids and/or heirs. Algore could not spend it EVER, as it would belong to us individually! We have a far too low a savings rate in this Great Country, and the poor would actually have something to pass on. The benifits dwarf the risks. Respectfully, JR

I have to disagree on the real estate thang, Murk. I have NEVER sold a house for less than I bought it for. Can't say the same thing about stocks.

Anyway, I like your thinking on the rest of the issue. But, if we ever see it, I hope that along with the "cutting loose" of some of the funds, comes a big public education plan - with info similar to what you have given here.
 

OldMercsRule

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Well, most people do dissagree with me about the risk their houses may or may not have. Again: THIS IS NOT A RECOMENDATION IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, jus' stimulatin' a li'l critical thinkin' here. After all, ever since FDR set up the ol' 30 year FDA mortgage the direction has generally been up, n' most all of us invest by lookin' in the rear view mirror. That's the funny thing 'bout investin' in anything. It's emotional, (for all of us no matter how hard we try to make it pure logic). You live in your house n' so it is a very tangable thing that has given you a good return, and kept ya safe n' warm as well. Ponder the folks in the oil patch, (Texas large towns, n' Alaska large towns) after the Saudis drove the price of awl to $10 per barrel from $30 in 1985. It was regional but it was a real eye opener. Could that happen again?? You know it could. Ponder the New Englanders' plight after 10/19/1987? Again a regional situation. How about Hawaii in 1990 after the Japanise demographic peak in 1989? Regional again. Now the 'big one' ta think about: there are 77 million baby boomers, (the real movers n' shakers here in the USA) that think just like you: Stevieray. Most of their lives houses have gone up up up, (the three notable exceptions stated). Very cornvincing it will go on for another 70 years or so eh? Hmmmmm. Maybe, maybe not. That is why people MUST DIVERSIFY. Only risk takers should have all their eggs in one basket n' watch the ol' basket very carefully n' learn all the things that can cause problems for the basket. Lets ponder a few: #1 all time high in home ownership. #2 all time high in borrowed money in the consumer sector, (where do ya think the maximum leverage is with the ol' cornsumer)? #3 expectations of: gravity does not exist in housing, (can't blame 'em for feelin' that way as 70+ years is a real long time). #4 prices near all time highs, #5 The big one that really is a li'l different this time: the 'mother of all' demographic peaks. In my experence in securities, (where there is real life DRAMA), unsofisticated investors always buy the most stock at market peaks n' sell at market bottoms. Old farts (like me), call that the "odd lot" theory. People who buy less then 100 shares are odd lot buyers. Moral o' the story: when they line the deck chairs on the ol' Titanic ya better look for a life raft. (It is a real life delemma as most sucessful investors spot a trend n' log on, key question: how long does the trend last? [70 years? 140 years? you tell me]. As people age do they need the 10,000 square foot houses in Tennessee n' two more for good measure as they have gone up for the last 70 years? Ponder that one. We all should own a piece o' dirt, n' keep the leverage at a minimum, (so what if it goes down in value), ya gotta live somewhere right? We all should have a diversified stock n' bond portfolio, n' other things that help our lives as well. I hope the massive immagration we have experienced, (I like God fearin' Legal immagrants, [the kind that believe in a God that does not condone suicide bombin' n' all], make the demographic peak a li'l less nasty, but caveat emptor: demographic peaks have been real dangerous most times in the past. Some readin' ta tease the brain: Harry Dent n' Pat Buchanan's "Death of the West". Dent is a best selling author who has nearly a 'cult following' and talks in real dramma terms that may be ginned up to sell books et al. "Don't believe everything ya read". (but apply CRITACAL THINKIN' once you have the information). That said: his points are undeniable to critical thinkers, jus' the drama seems a li'l suspect. Buchanan talks about the same issue in political terms. I not sayin' chicken little is right I'm jus' sayin' try to be aware of the flip side of every coin. Sorry for the rant said way more then I intended here. Respectfully JR
 

stevieray

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Will put that into my 5 or 6 remaining brain cells & let it compute for a while. Thanks for sharing.
 

RubberFrog

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Please continue ranting. I was just getting into it!
 

crunch

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Thanx JR, I knew if I could just get you started we would get a lot of good info out of you... by all means, feel free to continue your rants on this, you'll most likely do more good than you know.
 

OldMercsRule

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crunch said:
Thanx JR, I knew if I could just get you started we would get a lot of good info out of you... by all means, feel free to continue your rants on this, you'll most likely do more good than you know.

Thank you Crunch, You did succeed in pullin' ol' Murky outa my protective shell about investments for a bit. Lord knows I like ta spew things to people when I know a thing or two, n' I also did think the above rant could be benificial to some of my iboats friends from both sides of the isle. JR
 

Haut Medoc

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What county is "Ruby Ridge Island' in?
Shoot me a PM......:)
 

crunch

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Me too Murk, I tried to find it and all I got from Google was the other Ruby Ridge. :}
 

OldMercsRule

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Haut said:
It's his pet name....
But I like it!d:)

I sent you a PM, n' you can share with Crunch, (or I will send you one tomorrow Crunch). Me sweetie wants ta go home so TA TA for now. BB called it "Ruby Ridge" Island so the name stuck. The real name is in the PM. JR
 

crunch

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Nick names are cool, they show friendship and affection even if they are derogatory in their essence... but never forget, Ol Murky knows more about the way the world works in the financial sector than you or I will ever know.... that's why he owns his own Island. :p
 
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