Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

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Just picked up a 1993 6hp kicker, hard to start even when warm. Once it starts it runs like a top. It has NGK plugs, could they be causing the starting problem. It used 4-5 gallons of fuel in 9 hours trolling with a 17' boat, does that seem excessive?

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

That engine was made to run on champion plugs, I would install the proper plugs and see if it helps.
Fuel consumption is a trickey, to many things to account for, I would think trolling for 9 hours on 4-5 gal would be acceptable.
 

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I believe NGK and Champion aren't an exact match for heat range; when I ran NGK's they wore down way too fast, so I always use champions. I wouldn't expect spark plug brand to cause a problem starting, though. What kind of condition are they in?

I have one of those (much older, though), hasn't been used in awhile. As I recall, six gallons used to last us six months or more, which I guess would have been a good 8 or 10 hours, running mostly at WOT. I remember you might have to pull it twice when cold, and just a fraction of a pull when warm. Are you twisting the throttle around to "start" every time? Priming the fuel line?

How much throttle does it take to troll your boat? If it's propped for a smaller boat, it'll be lugging. Leads to carbon build up in the cylinders. Sorry I don't know the recommended RPM. Has it been fouling the plugs?

What I do in a case like this is, compression test, followed by spark test and if those check out ok, rebuild the carb. Probably would rebuild the carb & water pump just on general principle, unless I knew the seller personally.
 

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I would rebuild the carb. If not a lower pitch i would get the lowest you can get for it since its a kicker. That fuel consumption dosent seembad to me, but i dont know how big your boat is or did you troll into the wind like most or do you troll against current etc.
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

just chiming in here...regarding plugs.. I was under the impression that when you cross a plug (if store doesnt have it) it generally gets pretty darn close if not exact on ranges..

Am i incorrect on that??
 

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Usually a kicker is reffered to an engine that is not the primary source of propulsion...kind of like a trolling motor...on a bass boat that has a bigger engine..

or at least that is what I understand the term to be..

as far as the OP..I'll let him answer that
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

Just slang for an auxiliary motor or backup motor on a boat with a main motor.
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

Plugs look black and look a little wet, the inside of one of the plug wires looks like a combination of di-electric grease and melted rubber, real thick and black. I'll replace plugs and wires and hopefully will solve this. As far as the starting procedure, I'm priming the bulb, throttle in start position and choke all the way out until it wants to start and then push choke back in until it starts, don't have the manual so hopefully thats the correct sequence. As far as the fuel consumption, I'm using on a 17' boat, so it takes quite a bit of throttle to push at 2-2.5 mph. I just thought 4-5 gallons in 9 hours was alot. I have a 8hp 4 stroke on a 14', and I could troll all day on a gallon, but again it's alot less to push around.
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

are you using fresh non eth gas mixed 50:1
I had a hard starting 2 stroke and it was older gas, not even a year old.
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

fresh gas 50:1 Evinrude X-50 oil
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

For what its worth i have a set of NGK plugs and a set of Champion plugs for my 6hp.
No discernable difference in starting or performance.

The recommended plugs are Champion QL77JC4, gapped at 0.030"

If you use NGK then the equivalent is BZ7HS-10 ( although the -10 only indicates that they are supplied gapped at 1mm so you'll have to regap them anyway)

Do not use ordinary resistor plugs, such as NGK BR7HS or BR7H-10 with an OMC CD ignition or you will have trouble.

My 6hp pushes my 19 foot sail boat as fast as a 19ft non planing hull will go. Normlly pottering along i reckon I use something around 1/2 gallon per hour.

I keep the choke pulled out until it fires up, using as much throttle as the interlock with the starter allows. Have to get the choke back in part way quickly though
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

Motor currently has NGK BR7HS, hopefully the correct plug will solve this.
When I checked Champions chart it called for a L86C, is that equivalent to the QL77JC4?
 

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QL86C are listed as an alternative plug. I've see people report that they prefer it if trolling a lot.

L86C is the same plug without the suppressor

like wise L77JC4 is the unsuppressed version of QL77JC4.

Get rid of those resistor plugs .. not promising it will solve all your problems as if by magic though.
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

Thanks alot, my 90 Evinrude also uses that plug, I have new spares in the glove box, I'll give them a try this weekend.
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

You choke it on cold starts only, right?



just chiming in here...regarding plugs.. I was under the impression that when you cross a plug (if store doesnt have it) it generally gets pretty darn close if not exact on ranges..

Am i incorrect on that??

Yes. No. Yes. Sorry, yes you are correct, no you aren't incorrect. The equivalent is the equivalent. Probably, under ideal conditions like you find in a modern automotive engine, with all kinds of fancy sensors and computers to vary the timing and mixture, optimizing every single combustion cyle (which I bet is why spark plugs last 100k miles nowadays), that little difference doesn't matter.

But a recreational outboard is a different animal. Two, maybe 3 circuits in the carburetor means *most* of the time, the mixture is suboptimal. It has to push water out of the way, and hold the boat up on plane, running 5000 RPM all the time, except when it's trolling around smoking up the place. Think of driving your truck around in high gear, pulling a load, uphill all the time. The propeller is probably not in the best of condition, and probably not exactly the right pitch, so it's never making just the right RPMs at any given throttle setting, so the combustion temps are never just right. They sit around for weeks or months (which is hard on machinery) then get dragged out, run hard and put up wet. I think, spark plugs get a little more important. That's my theory anyway.

My experience is, that NGKs wear the center electrode down and I mean fast. One set lasted me about six months, no performance issues - I just had to regap 'em & realized they'd worn down too much. I run champions for three years, I inspect 'em 2x a year, replace when the center electrode starts to round off on top. I don't have to gap 'em every time. Last time I replaced 'em still in good condition, for no apparent reason.

And I hear Mercury owners trash-talking champions cause they foul like crazy. In a Mercury, which was designed around NGK.

So, I think, most of the time, the brand of plug won't prevent it running, maybe not even present a noticeable performance problem...it's just generally good practice to put champs in your johnnyrude. Unless you have a compelling reason to do otherwise, of course.

[disclaimer -- don't mean to sound like a "know-it-all", I'm no expert on spark plugs, just sharing what I've learned over the years -- if I'm wrong, somebody needs to jump in and correct me. thx]
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

Plugs look black and look a little wet, the inside of one of the plug wires looks like a combination of di-electric grease and melted rubber, real thick and black. I'll replace plugs and wires and hopefully will solve this. As far as the starting procedure, I'm priming the bulb, throttle in start position and choke all the way out until it wants to start and then push choke back in until it starts, don't have the manual so hopefully thats the correct sequence. As far as the fuel consumption, I'm using on a 17' boat, so it takes quite a bit of throttle to push at 2-2.5 mph. I just thought 4-5 gallons in 9 hours was alot. I have a 8hp 4 stroke on a 14', and I could troll all day on a gallon, but again it's alot less to push around.

what i would do on the starting. Maybe use half choke if it dosent start on no choke after 2 pulls.

Your fuel consuption i think is right if your 4stroke uses 1 gallon on a smaller boat over a similar time period that seems right 4 strokes get like 3-4 times the fuel mileage that these older 2 strokes get. My johnson GT gets something like 1 mile per gallon when running about 2/3 throttle. It drinks the fuel with 4 people in the 17 ft fish and ski.
 

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Re: Hard starting 6hp Evinrude

Thanks, I'll give that a try this weekend. Had the plug wires and coil checked....both good. Another question, do any of you know if they make and alternator for a 93 6hp Evinrude, would like to run electric downriggers on it's own battery.

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Another question, do any of you know if they make and alternator for a 93 6hp Evinrude
Battery chaging is standard fitting on the sail version but otherwise available as a kit for the largest part of $100. part number 0174036

See the Accessories from the drop down list in the parts catalog (Not the accessories tab!)
 
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