Has any noticed that the wardrums are booming again?

[treedancer]

A couple of days ago there was rumors that we will be pulling out of Iraq within a year. Yesterday Bolton said that if they don’t stop trying to build Atomic bombs it would be very painful for them.<br /><br /> Today shotgun Cheny said there would be dire consequences if they continued on there wayward ways.<br /><br /> Before any one scoffs and says that we are not finished in Iraq ,yet let me remind you of Afgahnstan.we still are not finished there. Yes friends the war drums beat.

 

[Twidget]

Re: Has any noticed that the wardrums are booming again?

A couple of days ago there was rumors that we will be pulling out of Iraq within a year. Yesterday Bolton said that if they don’t stop trying to build Atomic bombs it would be very painful for them.<br />

OK, I'll bite.<br /><br />When did Iraq start restart their nuclear weapons program? <br /><br />Sorry couldnt resist. The world is a dangerous place, you can face it or bury your head in the sand. The problem with burying you head is what is left sticking up.

 

[bootle]

Re: Has any noticed that the wardrums are booming again?

They were talking about Iran.

 

[PW2]

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That's why I specifically don't like this administration, and Cheney in particular.<br /><br />So what does anyone think Iran's reaction would be? Of course, "The heck with you, we'll do whatever we dang well please"<br /><br />Of course, they have no choice when we issue such a public challenge. They can't very well say "We're real sorry if we offended you, Mr. Cheney, and we won't ever do it again."<br /><br />I don't mind the tough talk, but if our goal is to achieve a diplomatic solution to Iran, then let's keep the dialog in diplomatic language and circles for now. If we exhaust all possible diplomatic solutions, there is plenty of time for saber rattling, but it isn't now. Why back someone into a corner before it is absolutely necessary to do so?<br /><br />Our military is stretched so thin we couldn't do anything about Iran right now if we wanted to.

 

[POINTER94]

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Iran Threatens U.S. With 'Harm and Pain' <br />AP - 1 hour, 32 minutes ago<br /><br />VIENNA, Austria - Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday for its role in hauling Tehran before the U.N. Security Council over its nuclear program. But the United States and its European allies said Iran's nuclear intransigence left the world no choice but to seek Security Council action. The council could impose economic and political sanctions on Iran. <br /><br />So now it's Vice President Cheney's fault that we are asking for the UN to investigate at the secruit council level.. This resolution would call for economic and political sanctions, not military. Some sources have Iran 1 year from having nukes, when might be a better time? <br /><br />A) before they have nukes?<br />B) after they aquire nukes?<br />C) after they detonate nukes?<br /><br />This is the UN not the US, the US is just one vote.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Responding to a threat with a threat is quite normal.....JK<br />& quit hiding behind the U.N. guise...<br />This was a direct response to Bolton's threats

 

[Haut Medoc]

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& if the U.N. wants to get involved, great....Let the rest of the U.N. members pony up while we deal with Iraq & afghanistan.....JK

 

[treedancer]

Re: Has any noticed that the wardrums are booming again?

. Let the rest of the U.N. members pony up while we deal with Iraq & Afghanistan...JK

You all know what the answer to that is going to be dont you? If any body don’t,it well most likely be on your way out of Iraq why don’t you stop by Iran and take care of this little problem. After all you are in the neighborhood.

 

[bootle]

Re: Has any noticed that the wardrums are booming again?

Having an operational nuclear reactor does not necessarily mean one can make a nuclear bomb.<br />One thing is certain, Iran does not possess the technological know-how to build the specific types of centrifuges required to produce weapons grade plutonium, possibly in ten to fifteen years time they may.<br />The Bush administration is quite right to put up and support the enforcement of road-blocks needed to thwart Iran's efforts in trying to acquire nuclear weapons, however one should not use a blunt machete where a scalpel is needed.

 

[tony779]

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I guess you guys who think the administration is out there sabre rattling for no reason have just glossed over the comments of the president Iran. The ones where he said the Holocaust never really happened and that Israel should be destroyed, etc etc. This guy will use the weapons that he is capable of making on Israel and anyone else that happens to be in range (read US soldiers in Iraq). I cant believe some of you guys get pissy about what the President or Vice President say or do but dont speak out about the actual criminals that are out there causing the problems that they are having to deal with. I dont agree with all of their policies, in particular the border stuff and this UAE deal but to take Irans side on this deal is ridiculous. Thank God your not running our country.

 

[PW2]

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Gawd, I'm sure glad you don't make your living in reading comprehension!<br /><br />Who is taking Iran's side in this??? And how did you determine that?<br /><br />No one in their right mind wants Iran to get nuclear weapons, Whether it be the US or Europe or Russia or probably China. We need to stop them from getting nukes.<br /><br />We would be better off achieving this diplomatically, with lots of allies on board, rather than resorting to some military action and confrontation.<br /><br />Iran is not Iraq. We will not be able to easily roll over the Iranian army. Not saying we can't win, but only that it would be not nearly as easy as Iraq was.<br /><br />Military action may well ultimately be necessary. Who knows? But unless we want an immediate military confrontation right now, for whatever reason, why ask for one?<br /><br />I don't hear *ANYONE* taking Iran's side in this, however.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> Gawd, I'm sure glad you don't make your living in reading comprehension!<br />

God, that's funny.

 

[KaGee]

Re: Has any noticed that the wardrums are booming again?

Rubber Frog's avatar is funny in light of the topic!

 

[crab bait]

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since te 40's the stop watch has been clicked.. can't stop it..<br /><br />that bein' said,, lets roll.. we need new people to kill..

 

[Ron G]

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Let them talk to the un,i dont see anything being done there IMO.I think we shouldgive isreal the nod and wink and let them go on id,just my 2cents.<br /> But if something is not done in the next year the whole world is going to have fall out from this.Heard on a talk show last week all the intel says they already have the capabilitys and it will take them a year to get a missile.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Diplomacy really worked great with Iraq .<br /><br />Diplomacy only works with people who are rational and want to live and be successful. Like North Korea.<br /><br />Diplomacy doesnt work with psychos like the leader of Iran who thinks he is a new prophet and wants to start the armegeddon as described in the Quran.<br /><br />This guy is a real nutjob and should be assasinated quickly. The problem is that he has a bunch of other psychos riled up in Iran and killing him wont help much. So I dont know if that is the right answer. Remember, Iran has for many years called the U.S.A. the "great satan".<br /><br />Ken

 

[NOSLEEP]

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Ya know Ken that idea may not be so far fetched.<br />Israel believes that it has significantly reduced<br />the threat of suicide bombers inside its borders<br />with the targeting of leaders and high ranking officials<br />of known terrorist entities.

 

[ufm82]

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The old saying "those that forget history are destined to repeat it" rings 100% true here. I heard the exact same words before we took out Saddam. "Let's try some diplomacy" "Let's give more time for sanctions to work." "Let's get the U.N. involved to force them to blah, blah, blah." <br /><br /> The entire situation is such B.S. Do you think that for a second we wouldn't be there removing Iran's nuclear ability if it wasn't for the hand wringing and second guessing from the previous actions we have undertaken? This country is full of milquetoasts and pansies that can't even stand up for themselves and now the rest of the world will pay for it. Do you think that Iran will show a great retraint with their newfound toy once it is operational? <br /><br /> I'd hate to be living in Israel right now. <br /><br />UFM82

 

[bootle]

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Originally posted by Ron G:<br /> Let them talk to the un,i dont see anything being done there IMO.I think we shouldgive isreal the nod and wink and let them go on id,just my 2cents.<br /> But if something is not done in the next year the whole world is going to have fall out from this.Heard on a talk show last week all the intel says they already have the capabilitys and it will take them a year to get a missile.

Wrong,wrong, wrong <br />Iran have the missiles but not nuclear warheads. <br /><br />Militarily attacking Iran is not going to fix this problem nor will it reduce the fears of Israel.<br />The IAEA treaty says that Iran has the right to build nuclear reactors and to process nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes.<br />The problem arises with Iran's credibility, can they be trusted? all of the signs to date says no. Therefore it is incumbent upon the rest of the world to hold Iran's feet to the fire.<br />As i have mentioned in my previous post, it does no good to use a blunt machete where a scalpel is needed.

 

[PW2]

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Diplomacy doesn't work? I'm glad no one listened to you folks during the cold war with the Russians.<br /><br />Diplomacy may well not work in this case, but at least you have to try. All the intel I have seen says Iran is years away from having a nuke weapon.<br /><br />Has anyone seen Newt's theory on dealing with the UN? It deserves an honest debate, at least.<br /><br />He basically says that there are things the UN can be effective in, and other things it can't be. And there are times, when there is a lot at stake, where we should simply ignore the UN process, and go directly to the developed nations of the world (The G-8 or some such) and work out a common agreeable solution where all the members can ultimately speak with one voice (and one action)<br /><br />If you look at the basic problem, there is no developed nation that fundamentally gains when Iran (or North Korea, for that matter) aquires nukes, and while each nation may have individual differences they want addressed, it is in every developed nations self interest that Nukes be stopped from expanding...<br /><br />Now it may well take a skilled negotiator, sensitive to the needs of others, and it probably best be handled somewhat privately and not with a flamethrowing speech at some neo-con conference, and it will be difficult, no doubt...but it is at least worth a try, and always better than the non-stop flights of cargo planes into Dover carrying body bags...