Hey Lubedude!!!

KCLOST

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Well, that explains it... My boat looks like a rocket compared to your ocean liner.... :) <br /><br />Less weight & drag = more speed...
 

achris

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Horses for courses, ah?
 

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achris;<br /><br />We have several dealers and distributors for Smart Tabs down under. If you are interested.
 

achris

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Do I need smart tabs?
 

KCLOST

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All I want to know is, <br /><br />Is there scientific proof that smart tabs will not sacrafice speed? :confused:
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by KCLOST:<br /> All I want to know is, <br /><br />Is there scientific proof that smart tabs will not sacrafice speed? :confused:
I would suggest you make a new thread asking just that!<br /><br />I beleive there is. I actually gained speed do to being able to run a higher pitch prop. If I remember right, I was running about the same speed at higher RPMs when I installed them on my boat. If you loose speed, then they are not adjusted properly.
 

smokeyjoe 2

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Why would anybody even need smart tabs unless they were trying to do something that the boat that it was not designed to do? Like trying to go to fast or screwed up the set up or something? I don't know just asking!!
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by smokeyjoe 2:<br /> Why would anybody even need smart tabs unless they were trying to do something that the boat that it was not designed to do? Like trying to go to fast or screwed up the set up or something? I don't know just asking!!
Because they just flat out work!!<br /><br />If you were to try a set on your boat, providing it is under about 21', you would be so impressed, you would understand. You boat will:<br /><br />Plane much faster.<br /><br />Plane at a much slower speed.<br /><br />Run much smoother.<br /><br />I beleive get better fuel mileage.<br /><br />Run more level.<br /><br />Generally run a little faster.
 

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kclost;<br /><br />What "proof" would satisfy you?<br /><br />"Scientific" would indicate that there was some formula available. I am not aware of this - especially when there are so many variables. Water conditions, weight or load, load balance, hull design, engine performance, etc.<br /><br />The way all of the national magazines have tested the Smart Tabs is to conduct a before and after test which has always included top speed. These tests are conducted over approximately 1 1/2 hour time span. The Smart Tabs are installed on the boat, then disabled by removing the actuator. The "Before Tests are then run with the Tabs non functional. Then the actuators are installed ( takes about five minutes) and the same tests are conduction. The attempt is to keep all variables as close to the base line as possible.<br /><br />In all cases we were able to significantly improve overall performance, including the Top Speed. I will say that all of the editors were amazed that the top speed was improved.<br /><br />This is the explanation: When a manufacturer designs the hull, it's anticipated use is the number one criteria. For example if the boat is to carry 500,000 Lb. they build a barge. If the boat is to pull skiers, they build a MasterCraft. <br /><br />In other words the hull design dictates the performance of the boat. Since the hull is fixed (rigid) the "maximum performance" window is limited. For example: the best fuel economy will be at a specific RPM/MPH, and the speeds below and above this point will degrade. As the boat goes lower it sits deeper in the water and the engine works harder. As the boat goes above the sweet spot the hull design will restrict the speed in one way or another. Generally the most restrictive high speed characteristic is porpoising. The up an down movement of the bow keeps the boat from achieving top speed. <br /><br />Trim tabs allow the operator to adjust the hull design to compensate to the variables. In the case of Smart Tabs, they do this continuously and in concert with the conditions. The porpoising is minimized (if not eliminated) because the tabs act like a suspension system , dampening the up/down movement even though they tabs are fully retracted. Since they are continuously under a load (once the water pressure exceeds the actuator load the tabs are up but under a load) they create a suspension effect. Additionally, the Smart Tabs load (pressure) can be easily adjusted to insure that the system is set to maximize the performance at all levels.<br /><br />It is simple but it works, and we have never failed to improve the performance of a boat. The leading magazines such as Trailer Boats, Boating World, Boating, Boating Life, and DIY Boating have all come up with the same results on boats from 13' to 20'.
 

KCLOST

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Fair enough... I agree to most...<br /><br />But I have one more question.... <br /><br />First, I understand completely how they work in regards to water pressure on the tabs, their retractability, and suspensioning capabilities for porpoising, chine walking, staying flat at lower speeds, and the all important hole shot...<br /><br />As you say..<br />"As the boat goes above the sweet spot the hull design will restrict the speed in one way or another."<br /><br />I agree to your statement, as the sweet spot IMO is the least amount of boat touching the water while stable. Keep in mind I don't have any chinewalking with the 25P Lazer (62mph). And I never have porpoising problems on calm water. I just recently noticed some minor walking with the 26P Turbo. Don't know why but it happened...<br /> <br />Anyway, with tabs, I worry about the ability of the boat to get up on pad when in the WOT/trimmed out mode. What I mean by "pad" is the 4 to 8 square foot area (whatever it may be) of boat that will only be in contact with the water when reaching maximum speeds. This in my opinion is the best speed condition. Not necessarily the most fuel efficient mode, but you see where I'm going since I'm a tournament fisherman (not a great one, but working on it). That's why I've been playing around with different props, to get a little more lift and speed. <br /><br />So here is the question... If the tabs have any downward force on the water, wouldn't that hinder the boats ability to get up and stay on pad? At least in a small way? <br /><br />The reason I ask and why I'm concerned, is due to the heavy ranger bass boat I have...18ft 371V
 

DH Zunic

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Hey Lubedude; How do I know I'm running the most trim possible? I have a 21' charger with a 200GT Johnson. I've been told it will do 72mph and I've been able to see 63mph before I get concerned that I've trimmed the motor at it's max. As for smart tabs, would they work on a tri-haul?
 

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Originally posted by DzBimmer:<br /> Hey Lubedude; How do I know I'm running the most trim possible? I have a 21' charger with a 200GT Johnson. I've been told it will do 72mph and I've been able to see 63mph before I get concerned that I've trimmed the motor at it's max. As for smart tabs, would they work on a tri-haul?
You need a water preasure guage so you know you havnt trimmed your engine out of the water. Thats the only way I know to be sure. What RPM are you running when you are at 63MPH?<br /><br />Sure, Smart tabs will work on almost any boat.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by KCLOST:<br /><br />So here is the question... If the tabs have any downward force on the water, wouldn't that hinder the boats ability to get up and stay on pad? At least in a small way?
You are having the walking problem now because the four blade is lifting the stern more than the three blade, a slight raising of the engine would stop it, but we have talked about that.<br /><br />All I know is that my boat is faster with the tabs, and I beleive, if adjusted right, the little bit of drag they may cause is marginal. Maybe John can reasure you better.
 

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kclost;<br /><br />If the pressure adjsutment is too much then the excessive stern lift will rotate the bow down, and then the extra trim (out) angle to bring the bow up will comprimise forward thrust. Obviously you will end up with a loss of Top Speed.<br /><br />However; the lift pressure is adjustable, and once you find the correct setting the downward pressure of the tabs will actually help lift the boat on step. They will also keep the boat stable and allow it to run cleaner (smoother). We have tested bass boats with top speed capability of 80 but were un able to run there because they were unstable. With the Tabs they ran 82 to 83 and stable. They also cut the hole shot in half. Regardless of the prop pitch. You won't understand until you try them!<br /><br />As LubeDude says many bass boat owners will say that if you need trim tabs there must be something wrong with the boat - some people are very comfortable in their own little world. My Dad won't use his cruise control - he can drive the car himself - If he is happy that is all that counts, and i still love him.
 

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Thanks John I think this will help KClost feel better about drilling 14 holes in his boat.<br /><br />Again john, I cant thank you enough for all you have done for me with the tabs, I never would have tried them without your support.<br /><br />It still amazes me and people I have in my boat how smooth it is all around. Guys I take fishing that have been in many Bass boats are absolutly amazed that the bow doesnt head for the ski when I take off. It almost always brings a comment instantly, like, " Hey, why dont your boats bow rise when you take off like all the other boats Ive been in", or something to that effect.<br /><br />I just cant say enough about them and your company, but I try.
 

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LubeDude;<br /><br />Thank you very much for your support - it's always more convincing to hear a third party testimonial. <br /><br />KCLOST;<br /><br />I appreciate your concideration and attention. Samrt Tabs are neither rocket science nor a gimmick. It is simply available technology reapplied.
 

bubbakat

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nautiJohn it is technology that I enjoy every time I put my boat in the water.<br />I have this bait house that I use a lot and there are some guides there all the time with those thirty thousand dollar boats and when I cruse into the no wake zone this old 1975 bass rig is sitting almost level with the water.<br />I do get some eyeballing and a lot of questions.
 

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I hope they are working for you up to your expectations. Thanks for the suppport!
 
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