Hey Police Officers RANT

18rabbit

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Originally posted by Kenneth Brown:<br /> How did I just KNOW somebody was gonna go there?
Could it be because just about everyone on the planet knows the police will police their own about as well as the Muslim world will police their own?!?
 

deputydawg

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The problem I have found with that survey is the word legally allowed. I do think we need to have the option of using more force than legally allowed. Better said I think the laws binding us should be lowered. I have been in fights where I followed the rules and about got my rear handed to me. We definately need rules controlling our actions like no hitting above the shoulders with any impact weapons is a good one, but not being allowed to strike above the shoulders with anything other than an open hand is sometimes bs.<br /><br />In my state we are not allowed to use any joint lock restraints, the onlyu strikes we can use is to nerve centers, under no circumstances are we allowed to use any choke holds, if we do have to use strikes with empty hand we can never strike on a joint, we can not strike the ribs or back only the stomache. The only force we can use is the PPCT pressure point control tactics method. It is not at all effective on the street.<br /><br />But it is good to have rules controling our actions otherwise I truely believe all officers would get out of hand. <br /><br />It does sound like your S.O. there needs overhauled. <br /><br />I complain a lot about the way things are, but bottom line I love my job. When I can help someone with even the smallest of problems, the feeling is the greatest. It is a hard stressful job but I live off of the stress. The first night I do not want to and anxiously wait going to work is the night I will give my notice and quit.
 

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The sheriff told my class at our swearing in ceromony that we are in the buissnes of dealing with peoples problems. nobody is at there best when they are having problems, and some times the anger gets directed at us but not to let it get to you.<br />I was at a bar with some buddys playin pool the other night and i could not help but hear guys at the other table talking about how the officers at my agency where stupid and jerks and A-holes. It made me angry hearin that but this stupid jerk kept to himself.
 

Terry Olson

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I'll add some real world perspective to 18r's comments in citing the survey by the NIJ. Like any poll or survey, the outcome is a function of not only the questions asked but those that aren't asked. I don't know who devised the survey, what questions were asked, what questions weren't, or what the intended purpose of the survey was - but - the results are entirely inconsistent with my experience. This isn't to say that cops everywhere are perfect, but by those results a solid majority of cops not only don't belong on the job but readily admitted so in a survey. If this solid majority of cops aren't to be trusted why would they admit that they aren't to be trusted when surveyed? This just doesn't pass the smell test to me, but again I haven't seen the survey.<br /><br />When I see use of force problems typically I'm seeing officers not using enough force to immediately overcome the suspect. Officers are so afraid of complaints and heavyhanded discipline that they tend to use less force than they should.<br /><br />What is reasonable and what is excessive? It's in the eye of the beholder. This isn't a mathematical equation where there's one difinitively correct answer and the rest are wrong. Again, all too often the public - most of whom have no training or experience in physical confrontation or other police matters - believe they're experts and know better than those doing the job. <br /><br />In the end, cops are human beings and as such are prone to mistakes just as anyone is. I won't say that being abused by the public justifies excessive force but not responding when threatened or assaulted is far easier said than done. <br /><br />18R:<br /><br />What line of work are you in? I wonder if 100% of those in your profession conduct themselves properly 100% of the time. I'll assume not, since you probably work with human beings too. Should you be judged by the wrongs of your peers? That sounds like prejudice - the act of prejudging one as a result of your experiences with others who are similar. <br /><br />I guess that's OK so long as your ox isn't the one being gored.
 

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The way I read your post was this deputy was moonlighting as a Mall Security Guard. That may be well and fine, but if he was acting as a Mall employee I would be insulted too. As a civilian (a private company employee) he had no right and no business calling you in for a wants-and-warrants check. Accordingly I would think you would have grounds for litigation against the mall, their employee, and the county for answering and giving your information to a civilian. It would be no different than if I had your license and called in for a wants-and-warrants check. You should complain to the mall, and maybe to the county.<br /><br />If the deputy was working as a Sheriff's Deputy, not a n employee of the mall, then I guess you would just have to suck it up and accept that this is part of his job.
 

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Originally posted by Terry Olson:<br /> I'll add some real world perspective to 18r's comments in citing the survey by the NIJ. Like any poll or survey, the outcome is a function of not only the questions asked but those that aren't asked. I don't know who devised the survey, what questions were asked, what questions weren't, or what the intended purpose of the survey was - but - the results are entirely inconsistent with my experience. ...
The survey was I believe a total of 96 questions, asked of just under 1000 police officers, a random sampling from coast to coast. The survey was the product of the National Institute for Justice, a division of the United States Department of Justice. The specific purpose of the survey was to get a realistic idea of the level of police misconduct, why there is misconduct, and what cops felt about it. If you would like to take your “real world perspective” to United States Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, I’m sure he will be sensitive to your concerns about the survey. Let us know how it goes.
 

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Why don't you just admit it. Checking everyone's wants and warrants is not for your protection, it's because the police are too da***d lazy to get out and find the criminals. If you don't have the ability to size up a person while talking to them, you need to find another job. You act as if ninety percent of Americans are criminals. Nowdays all you see are cops with buzz haircuts, wearing SWAT uniforms and armed to the teeth with guns, knives, and pepper spray. It's a brotherhood or fraternity that will look the other way when one of there own breaks the law. And don't argue, I've seen it. My friend's daughter works at the local 911 as a dispatcher. She also loves to speed. In one instance, she was pulled and ended up shooting the breeze with the cops in three different cars. In another instance, she was told to go to court (she got the ticket before they realized who she was) and they wouldn't show up. These were not the same cops, they were from different towns. I have met a few decent cops, but they are few and far between. <br /><br />My daughter's mother got mad one night because I stopped at the bar with a couple of classmates after a final exam. (I had two beers because all I had with me was $5.00 but I don't know why I'm telling you this because 1. that's what everyone says and 2. you don't believe me anyway) She goes from talking to hyperscream and called 911. We were not married and she was living in my house. They sent some pipsqueek female officer (Along with godzilla)that told me I was going to leave the house. I refused and told her it was my house. Then she said I had to let the woman take my car so she could leave. Again I refused. She threatened me with arrest if I didn't give this woman my keys. It was only after I pointed out that the woman didn't have a valid driver's license, that she retreated. NO ONE should have the ability to tell me I have to give someone else my property. I didn't start the fight, I didn't hit her, and I da***d sure didn't want to argue. But, because I'm a man, I'm automatically the guilty party. <br /><br />And the last thing I want to hear out of a cop's mouth is "I'm just doing my job." Oh, and by the way, how many of you cops here are Masons?<br /><br />How in the he** can you tell me you love your job and then go on for five paragraphs complaining about it? You don't love your job, you love the power. If you're not making the money you think you should, move here to Delaware. These guys live in VERY nice homes with new cars and nice boats. <br /><br />I was a reporter for a small newspaper and I called the chief of police to ask if I had the right to exceed the speed limit in order to keep up with the firetrucks responding to a fire. His reply was no. Even an officer, when not in pursuit, can exceed the speed limit. What a joke!<br /> Not only do they speed, but I've seen them all over the road, only to find out they were typing on their in-car computer. If that were me, I'd be pulled for suspected DWI. <br /><br />Only in communist countries should a person have his "papers" checked. That way there is a difference between us and them. <br /><br />Oh yeah. By law, driving is considered a priviledge and not a right. That was started when there was three autos in a town and everyone else was driving a horse and buggy. Driving is a right. No one should be able to limit my ability to go from one place to another. <br /><br />Well, I believe I've hit enough buttons to set off alarms. Wait, just one more. EVERY citizen, that is not incarcerated, should be able to carry a weapon anywhere, anytime, without having to register it or obtaining a license. It is in the constitution. There was some discussion earlier about someone's knowledge of that document, however, without reading the writings of the framers of the constitution, you may know the word and still not grasp the meaning. So, just because you may have had to read it in your gestapo accademy, doesn't mean you are an authority on the subject and shouldn't tell someome else they don't know what they are talking about.<br /><br />There. NOW I've hit enough buttons to get big brother's attention. They don't like it when you exercise your rights or even talk about exercising your rights. You obviously belong to some anti-American organization out to take over the government. Trust me, it's in their little handbook of things to look for when they stop you to give you a ticket for a burned out taillight.
 

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WOW!!! Wannago.... Sounds like some mild anger issues there.<br /><br />Really I enjoyed reading your post. I may or may not agree, but you provided your opinion, and reasons for it. If only....<br /><br />I was kidding with the first line. :) <br /><br />As for the buddy system, it's true. Like it or not, whether you want to admitit or not, there are "favors" done for "fellow" persons. My aunt is a corrections officer, she was married to another corrections officer. They lived an worked 300 miles away. When they would come up to visit they and my parents woudl go out. My aunt and her husband would drive to their accomodations DRUNK. I was told of at least four seperate times when they were stopped for suspicion of DUI an dwhen the officer saw their corrections ID, "Have a nice night, drive carefully." Adn that was it. They were proud of it too. Had they ever caused an accident it would not have mattered that they were corrections officers. The passengers in the other vehicle still would have been hurt, or worse. And what if the familiy of the victims found out that my aunt or her husband had been stopped and then let go? Can we say major lawsuit? The problem is we have the foxes watching the henhouse. None will speak ill of another and therefore the good ones get lumped in with the ego-maniacs and the truly pathetic ones.<br /><br />I respect law-enforcement officers for the job they do, because it really is one that most people would not want or be willing to do. But, I detest those who abuse the power and authority that goes with the responsibility that deserves my respect. I automatically respect an officer, but then they must earn it and deserve it from there. Most do, some do not. And to DeputyDawg and the other law-enforcement officers, Thank you for doing a job most would not want, for the selfless dedication a good officer must have to put up with the garbage heaped upon you. But please help in eliminating those who give your profession a black-eye.
 

Kenneth Brown

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Originally posted by Kenneth Brown:<br /> Excessive force was never used, it wasn't necc. Whit always made sure we had enough people there to get the job done. Two cops wrestling with a guy is liable to get one or the other hurt. Five cops taking a guy down greatly reduces the chance of injury for everyone.
When I see use of force problems typically I'm seeing officers not using enough force to immediately overcome the suspect. Officers are so afraid of complaints and heavyhanded discipline that they tend to use less force than they should.<br />
Thats what Capt Whit made sure we had plenty of help, to lessen injuries instead of flopping around like a fish for several minutes. With plenty of help the perp was in restraints within seconds, not minutes. Safer for all.<br /><br />
It does sound like your S.O. there needs overhauled.
Who you talking bout Willis? (In my best Gary Coleman voice ;) )<br /><br />
Why don't you just admit it. Checking everyone's wants and warrants is not for your protection, it's because the police are too da***d lazy to get out and find the criminals.
Kinda fits both of them the way I see it. Its a great tool, and it will be used whenever appropriate.<br /><br /><br />
Oh yeah. By law, driving is considered a priviledge and not a right. That was started when there was three autos in a town and everyone else was driving a horse and buggy. Driving is a right. No one should be able to limit my ability to go from one place to another. <br />
Well we disagree there buddy. <br /><br /><br />
My daughter's mother got mad one night because I stopped at the bar with a couple of classmates after a final exam. (I had two beers because all I had with me was $5.00 but I don't know why I'm telling you this because 1. that's what everyone says and 2. you don't believe me anyway) She goes from talking to hyperscream and called 911. We were not married and she was living in my house. They sent some pipsqueek female officer (Along with godzilla)that told me I was going to leave the house. I refused and told her it was my house. Then she said I had to let the woman take my car so she could leave. Again I refused. She threatened me with arrest if I didn't give this woman my keys. It was only after I pointed out that the woman didn't have a valid driver's license, that she retreated. NO ONE should have the ability to tell me I have to give someone else my property. I didn't start the fight, I didn't hit her, and I da***d sure didn't want to argue. But, because I'm a man, I'm automatically the guilty party. <br />
Unfortunetly you are right here. I disagree with the system in this aspect. Many times the male is the guilty party simply because he is male. I know I got into an arguemnet with my wife and she WOULDN'T LET ME LEAVE so I had to call the cops. I KNOW that if I used any force at all just toleave I would have spent the night at the gray bar motel. This was way back before we were even married, shoulda been a sign huh? :) <br /><br /><br />
EVERY citizen, that is not incarcerated, should be able to carry a weapon anywhere, anytime, without having to register it or obtaining a license. It is in the constitution. There was some discussion earlier about someone's knowledge of that document, however, without reading the writings of the framers of the constitution, you may know the word and still not grasp the meaning. So, just because you may have had to read it in your gestapo accademy, doesn't mean you are an authority on the subject and shouldn't tell someome else they don't know what they are talking about.<br />
Take the gestapo out and I'll agree 100%. Most cops are actually in favor of citizen firearm ownership. I know that I am, and so are those around me.<br /><br />
As for the buddy system, it's true. Like it or not, whether you want to admitit or not, there are "favors" done for "fellow" persons. My aunt is a corrections officer, she was married to another corrections officer. They lived an worked 300 miles away. When they would come up to visit they and my parents woudl go out. My aunt and her husband would drive to their accomodations DRUNK. I was told of at least four seperate times when they were stopped for suspicion of DUI an dwhen the officer saw their corrections ID, "Have a nice night, drive carefully." Adn that was it. They were proud of it too. Had they ever caused an accident it would not have mattered that they were corrections officers. The passengers in the other vehicle still would have been hurt, or worse. And what if the familiy of the victims found out that my aunt or her husband had been stopped and then let go? Can we say major lawsuit? The problem is we have the foxes watching the henhouse. None will speak ill of another and therefore the good ones get lumped in with the ego-maniacs and the truly pathetic ones.<br />
Well David its kinda true. Its called professional courtesy, and no, its not always right. A slight discretion I will overlook for another officer. If he's hitting his wife or driving drunk its gray bar motel for the night. If he's doing 75 in a 70 I'll more than likely look the other way. If he he's doing 25 in a 15 school zone it's sign here please. We are given a certain amount of leeway and intrusted to use it appropriately. Some do and some don't, all are humans. I hope that I use mine accordingly.<br /><br />By the way regarding CO's. Here in Texas for some reason the cops seem to HATE the CO's. I work in the prison and am also a LEO. I see it all the time. Co's complaining cuz a$$hole cop wrote them a ticket. Cops complaining cuz a$$hole CO pulled out there prison ID like it was gonna help them or something. Go figure, you'd think that they would be on the same side of the fence.<br /><br /><br />All of that said I am currently NOT a cop. I quit about 4 months ago. I do see my self signing back up in another couple of months. I spent the last nine years volunteering for free and I simply don't have the time right now. I am fully commisioned and have the same credentials and qualifications as a paid officer, I just don't draw a check. LE in my area is way underpaid, I make almost as much as the cheifs and the sherrif in my area.<br /><br /><br />Ya'll have a good day now and drive safe. :)
 

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Wannago, you make some interesting points. Sizing people up is not as black and white as it seems. Some of the worst confrontations law enforcement deals with is the people that appeared non threatening. It is easy to figure out that the huge burly biker type at the bar fight may be a challenge, but the wirey 110 pound normal looking female that is surprisingly strong are the ones that catch you by surprise. Bad people don't always advertize the fact that they are bad. I personally don't assume everybody is bad, I use reasonable caution because I want to go home at the end of the day alive. Its hard to catch the bad guys if I am dead.<br /><br />If we don't have any advance notice that we just pulled over a guy who has a history of violence against law enforcement personnel but looks normal, we would have our butt handed to us. Then, while we are fighting this guy and backup is on the way, what happens to the wife who is being beaten to within an inch of her life and called 911 but we can't get there in time because we are fighting a fight that could have been avoided if we could just run a drivers license check? <br /><br />Maybe you and others who have such negative opinions of law enforcement could do a ride along on a Friday night and see what we have to deal with. I don't expect you to love us or to change you mind on how you feel, I just think if you saw what really happens you would understand how something as simple as a drivers license check keeps people from getting hurt.<br />If we avoid bad confrontations, we are able to do our job of keeping the peace. If we are tied up in senseless avoidable confrontation, then crime is happening somewhere else and we can't get to it.<br /><br />Why do we have buzz cuts? Because if there is no hair, the bad guys we are fighting can't use it against us. Why on earth would we want to have hair that someone could grab? Why wear black? You want us to wear hunter orange? Kinda hard to be stealthy if we look like road cones. We do what we do because that is how law enforcement has had to evolve to keep up with the bad guys. Maybe what we do isn't always popular, I understand that, and I try to make it as unintrusive as possible, but at the end of the day the bad guys need to be caught, and we are doing the best we can with what we are given.<br /><br />Have you ever heard a noise late at night while you were sleeping? You think someone may be breaking in. Remember how the heart rate goes up, you are on alert, your senses blazing, you don't know what is going to happen next. Then you see that it was the stupid cat doing stupid things, and you calm down, secretly thanking God you didn't have to deal with an intruder. Now, take that heightened awareness feeling, and imagine you are at that state ten hours a day, every day. That is what this job is like. <br /><br />Every single car that is stopped has the potential to end up in a bad situation. To walk up to a car and assume that it is just another routine stop is suicide. Simply put, the bad guys drive too. You want us to go out and find criminals? We do, because they drive cars. Or maybe you would rather have your tax dollars pay for a police force that is five times as large and we just go door to door searching every house for criminals. Now THATS intrusive.<br /><br />I do like to hear the negative opinions though, because those opinions don't just come out of thin air. They come from personal experience or percieved actions. I can just takes these opinions to heart and do the best I can to not act like those who have disgraced the profession.
 

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So, what do you all think of full synthetic v.s. regular oil?
 

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Originally posted by JasonJ:<br /> Maybe you and others who have such negative opinions of law enforcement could do a ride along on a Friday night and see what we have to deal with.
Jason, it might be better stated that it’s what you CHOOSE to deal with. No one makes any cop be a cop. They choose to be cops and they choose to deal with all the riff raft the world has to offer. If at any time you find the job is not working out for you, perhaps a new career may be worth considering.<br /><br />There is a little more to being on the frontlines of a law enforcement career than just passing the grade. Folks that are effective as police are effective because they are compatible with the unique set of job stressors that occupation entails. That compatibility brings with it a personality profile.<br /><br />You can run the same process backward; evaluate someone’s personality to determine their tolerance for specific job stressors, and then match the stressors’ compatibility to a job cluster. That person will be happiest and almost guaranteed success if they choose a career from the appropriate job cluster. The process fails if income/salary is allowed to become a consideration for choosing an occupation.<br /><br />Nope! No sympathy from me. Cops do what they do because deep down inside, you guys love it.<br /> :)
 

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Driving is a privledge granted by the state, not a right.
No, it's a right, according to the Supreme Court of the United States. You can give it up in exchange for a license (privilege) if you want, but you had the right to start with.<br /><br />If the police ask for ID, just say no. Of course, if you're driving, the situation becomes a different story because they assume, like you did, that you don't have a right to drive. In the case at the mall, I'd have declined any ID at all. It's not needed. It's a great substitute for having to do any real policework though.<br /><br /><br />"The use of the highways for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common and fundamental Right of which the public and the individual cannot be rightfully deprived." <br /><br />Chicago Motor Coach vs. Chicago, 169 NE 22; <br />Ligare vs. Chicago, 28 NE 934; <br />Boon vs. Clark, 214 SSW 607; <br />25 Am.Jur. (1st) Highways Sect.163<br /><br /><br />"Complete freedom of the highways is so old and well established a blessing that we have forgotten the days of the Robber Barons and toll roads, and yet, under an act like this, arbitrarily administered, the highways may be completely monopolized, if, through lack of interest, the people submit, then they may look to see the most sacred of their liberties taken from them one by one, by more or less rapid encroachment." <br /><br />Robertson vs. Department of Public Works, 180 Wash 133, 147. <br /><br /><br />"Personal liberty -- consists of the power of locomotion, of changing situations, of removing one's person to whatever place one's inclination may direct, without imprisonment or restraint unless by due process of law." <br /><br />Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.; <br /><br />Blackstone's Commentary 134; Hare, Constitution__Pg. 777
 

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Looky there, its another one of those professions people like to jump , a friggin lawyer.<br /><br /><br />18r- Yep, we love it.
 

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Kenneth,<br /><br />"Friggin lawyer" eh? Who else don't you like? Friggin blacks, Mexicans, Jews maybe? I've got a piece of advice for you. You may not like 'em, but you'd better make friends with at least one, because you're going to need one. If I were a lawyer, and you stopped me, I'd walk just on your post alone.
 

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I would like to thank Terry Olson very much for his post. I appreciate the job people like you do in our communities. Our communities would never function as they do without people like you.<br />I guess you don't appreciate the Policeman until YOU need him to help you.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

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Subject: Something to think about.<br /><br /><br />Dedicated to Paramedics, Fire and Police Officers and their<br />Dispatchers:<br /> <br />I wish you could comprehend a wife's horror at 6 in the morning as<br />I check her husband of 40 years for a pulse and find none. I start<br />CPR anyway, hoping to bring him back, knowing intuitively it is too<br />late. But wanting his wife and family to know everything possible<br />was done to try and save his life.<br /> <br />I wish you knew the unique smell of burning insulation, the taste<br />of soot-filled mucus, the feeling of intense heat through your<br />turnout gear, the sound of flames crackling, the eeriness of being<br />able to see absolutely nothing in dense smoke-sensations that I've<br />become too familiar with.<br /> <br />I wish you could read my mind as I respond to a call, Is this a<br />false alarm or a working fire? How is the building constructed?<br />What Hazards await me? Is anyone trapped?". Or to call and ask what<br />is wrong with the patient? Is it minor or life threatening? Is the<br />caller really in distress or is he waiting for us with a 2x4 or a<br />gun?<br /> <br />I wish you could be in the emergency room, as a doctor pronounces<br />dead, the beautiful five-year old girl that I have been trying to<br />save during the past 25 minutes, knowing she will never go on her<br />first date or say the words, "I love you Mommy", ever again.<br /> <br />I wish you could know the frustration I feel in the cab of the<br />ambulance or engine or cruiser, the driver with his foot pressing<br />down hard on the pedal, my arm tugging again and again at the air<br />horn chain, as you fail to yield the right-of-way at an<br />intersection or in traffic. When you need us however, your first<br />comment upon our arrival will be, "It took you forever to get<br />here!"<br /> <br />I wish you could know my thoughts as I help extricate a girl of<br />teenage years from the remains of her automobile. What if this was<br />my daughter, sister, my girlfriend or a friend? What were her<br />parents reaction going to be when they opened the door to find a<br />police officer with hat in hand?<br /> <br />I wish you could know how it feels to walk in the back door and<br />greet my parents and family, not having the heart to tell them that<br />I nearly did not come back from the last call.<br /> <br />I wish you could know how it feels dispatching officers,<br />firefighters and Paramedics out and when we call for them and our<br />heart drops because no one answers back or to here a bone chilling<br />911 call of a child or wife needing assistance.<br /> <br />I wish you could feel the hurt as people verbally and sometimes<br />physically abuse us or belittle what we do, or as they express<br />their attitudes of "It will never happen to me".<br /> <br />I wish you could realize the physical, emotional and mental drain<br />of missed meals, lost sleep and forgone social activities, in<br />addition to all the tragedy my eyes have seen.<br /> <br />I wish you could know the brotherhood and self-satisfaction of<br />helping save a life or preserving someone's property, or being able<br />to be there in time of crisis, or creating order from total chaos.<br /> <br />I wish you could understand what it feels like to have a little boy<br />tugging at your arm and asking, "Is my Mommy okay?", not even being<br />able to look in his eyes without tears from your own and not<br />knowing what to say. Or to have to hold back a long time friend who<br /> watches his buddy having CPR done on him as they take him away in<br />the Medic Unit. You know all along he did not have his seat belt<br />on. A sensation that I have become too familiar with.<br /> <br />Unless you have lived with this kind of life, you will never truly<br />understand or appreciate who I am, we are, or what our job really<br />means to us...I wish you could though.<br /> <br />KEEP SENDING THIS ON. APPRECIATE AND SUPPORT THE LOCAL POLICE <br />OFFICERS, EMS PARAMEDICS, FIREFIGHTERS, and 911 DISPATCHERS<br /> IN YOUR AREA. ONE DAY THEY'LL PROBABLY BE SAVING YOUR<br />PROPERTY OR YOUR OWN LIFE. WHEN YOU SEE THEM COMING WITH<br />LIGHTS FLASHING, MOVE OUT OF THE WAY QUICKLY, and THEN PRAY FOR<br />THEM
 

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Originally posted by wannagofishin:<br />"Friggin lawyer" eh? Who else don't you like? Friggin blacks, Mexicans, Jews maybe?
Don’t be silly! “Friggin blacks”, Mexicans, and Jews are people. Lawyers are heathen scum culled from the pit of eternal darkness. They ain’t people!!!<br /><br />
Originally posted by wannagofishin:You may not like 'em, but you'd better make friends with at least one, because you're going to need one.
Sounds an awful lot like a threat.<br /><br />Fwiw, we have reached a point that having a lawyer in court may be a liability.
 

Terry Olson

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
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Messages
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Re: Hey Police Officers RANT

It certainly is easy to judge from the sidelines. The day after the Superbowl everyone will have an opinion about how the losing team SHOULD have played. <br /><br />Cops looking for warrant suspects aren't lazy - they're doing their job. If only we as a society could trust criminals to be responsible and show up for court we wouldn't need to have arrest warrants issued in the first place. <br /><br />I can't believe it - criminals aren't responsible... No doubt this is also the fault of the police...<br /><br />This is a perfect example of the kind of simplistic and thoroughly ignorant thought (or lack thereof) behind most of the negative anti-police attitude that I encounter. Truth is the lion's share of complaints about police aren't legitimate. <br /><br />Let me break it down for those who haven't thought this through: People have warrants because they've been arrested and charged with a criminal offense. They get a court date and if they don't bother to show up we have to go out and bring them to court. How is it that all of these people have warrants if the police are too lazy to go arrest them to begin with? <br /><br />I stand by my "real world experience" statements as well. The survey results are completely foreign to me. Maybe that's a function of the part of the country in which I live and work, or maybe over the course of my 17+ years in the field my partners have just hidden this side of themselves very well... Or maybe I'm part of this vast conspiracy to deny everyone's constitutional rights. <br /><br />We still haven't heard what line of work 18R is involved in. I'm sure he hasn't volunteered this because he is a member of the ONLY profession where everyone is perfect... No comments as to whether all should be judged by the few either... <br /><br />Face it - some of you have a real problem with the police and will take every oportunity to make an attack. You have your opinion and there's literally nothing that can be done to change it. At least be honest and admit as much. You may very well have a good basis for your negative feelings. At the same time, it's inherently wrong to judge all by the misdeeds of some - Do we agree on this point at least? <br /><br />18R makes one good point. Cops chose this profession and as such they should gladly accept the abuse that comes with it. Hey, no one's making them earn a living this way. They get what they deserve. Sounds reasonable to me...<br /><br />I'm not even sure where to start with Wannago's comments. Here again, there's literally no way to please some people. If you actually read the posts by cops you'd see that they didn't complain about the job - they complained about people like you who seem to think they know what they're talking about without the benefit of training, experience, or anything more than watching COPS on TV. <br /><br />Fortunately most cops recognize the simple fact that for every know-it-all who thinks the police can do no right there are many many people who actually appreciate their hard work and dedication.
 

wannagofishin

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Jul 26, 2005
Messages
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Re: Hey Police Officers RANT

18R,<br /><br />No, it's not a threat. I don't know Kenneth, or where he lives except, "Over the river and through the woods." It was a reference to the fact he's a cop. Sooner or later in his career he'll be sued. And like everyone who berates lawyers, they do so until they need one. (Just like cops, huh?) <br /><br />No group of people should be judged by the good or bad in their ranks, but they are. Not every cop is a hero, nor is every cop crooked. But not every American citizen a cop encounters is a crook and shouldn't be treated as one unless there's damned good reason.
 
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