Hey Police Officers RANT

SwampNut

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some of you have a real problem with the police
I have a problem with the current police state. Unfortunately, "the police" as a group are behind that, though some cops realize that people do indeed have rights. Only a few in my experience, but I won't pre-judge everyone with a badge regardless.
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by Terry Olson:<br /> 18R makes one good point. Cops chose this profession and as such they should gladly accept the abuse that comes with it. Hey, no one's making them earn a living this way. They get what they deserve. Sounds reasonable to me...
Hey! I didn’t say they get what they deserve; I said cops that are successful in their career enjoy their work, and of course that implies they understand the risks and responsibilities that go along with the job.<br /><br />Law enforcement has a very unique set of stressors associated with it. If you are incompatible with those stressor, you will fall out of that job quicker than most other occupation. The flip side of that is anyone that could be successful in law enforcement is unlikely to happy and/or successful doing almost anything else for a living.<br /><br />Ironically, the stressors associated with the job of a lawyer is almost identical to the stressors an actor deals with. Both jobs require similar levels of training/education, are done in similar venues, require very similar personality traits, outgoing, not self-conscious, not intimidated by people of a higher social stature, etc … I giggle when people talk down about actors that go into politics. Many politicians come from the vast pool of lawyers. Actor or lawyer, it's the same animal.
 

Kenneth Brown

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Originally posted by 18R:<br />
Originally posted by wannagofishin:<br />"Friggin lawyer" eh? Who else don't you like? Friggin blacks, Mexicans, Jews maybe?
Don’t be silly! “Friggin blacks”, Mexicans, and Jews are people. Lawyers are heathen scum culled from the pit of eternal darkness. They ain’t people!!!<br /><br /><br />
Originally posted by wannagofishin:You may not like 'em, but you'd better make friends with at least one, because you're going to need one.
Sounds an awful lot like a threat.<br /><br />Fwiw, we have reached a point that having a lawyer in court may be a liability.
Nope, lawyers are people that need a job. Some people seem to dislike cops, some dislike lawyers. I have no problem with either as I tend to stay on the right side of both. I don't like what lawyers are doing in our legal system but they are getting paid to do a job. My comment was simply that this has become a "bash-a-cop" thread and lawyers catch the same flack.<br /><br /><br />As far as a threat? Heck no! You can say I've got a little history on this board and threats that were not made but were percieved that way. I will not get into that because bygones are bygones and its settled, enough said on that topic and have enough respect to not try to bring it up please. Over the river and through the woods is Donie Texas. Its situated on the central/east Texas line, about 10 miles off I-45, exit 189 I believe. That being said I post my real name and that is truly where I live. Anybody could say just about anything to me and I not take it as a threat. Pull into the driveway at 3am with a spotlight on my house and that would probably be a different story. I'm sure that he meant sooner or later we all need legal advice even if we detest lawyers.<br /><br /><br />Ya'll have a good day.
 

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18R, When people explain what we said it really gets messed up sometimes. I understood exactly what you meant. Kinda of like join the Army plan to go to battle.
 

Kenneth Brown

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Originally posted by scrapper:<br /> I wish you could know how it feels to walk in the back door and<br />greet my parents and family, not having the heart to tell them that<br />I nearly did not come back from the last call.<br /><br />
The truth of the matter is we don't tell out family. We suck it up and deal with it, just the oppisite of what we should do. I broke down one time in 9 years. We pulled a baby out of a pond and he had been dead for about 15 minutes or so. He had been missing for an hour. We had already searched this pond several times. As we were walking back in from the surronding woods a fellow officers light "flashed" the babie's eyes. My daughter was the same age. The other officers son was also the same age and was an identical match for the deceased baby. I resigned that night. Dead kids screw me up. That is the only real hard part about it for me. I did end up going back the next day and pulling my resignation. <br /><br /><br />18R- I know what ya meant, and your right. No fight here. For that matter no fight with anyone, I'm a lover, not a fighter. :)
 

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I attended a conference where a doc was talking about a time he was on a USCG helicopter that responded to a sinking boat call, family of 5 aboard. They pulled 4 out of the water, couldn’t find the 5th, a small child. Just as the bird was lifting off, someone onboard saw something orange in the water, and something under it sinking. Without thinking, he un-tethered and jump, grabbed a handful of orange and lifted. The child slid out from under the lifejacket, dead, had been underwater tangled in the straps for almost 30-mins.<br /><br />While inflight back, the doc kept thinking something wasn’t right. He went back in the bird, grabbed the child corpse, thru it on the floor and started cpr/mouth to mouth. At the conference the doc showed the slide of a healthy 12-year old kid, grinning ear to ear.
 

Terry Olson

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18R:<br /><br />Your comments would have been perceived in the manner in which you claim they were offered had you not offered them with the distinct "flavor" of corruption and misconduct. I agree, people do what they're good at and they're good at what they do. There's no question that it takes a certain "it" to do police work - like many skilled professions. Most fields don't require their participants to do much more than apply their training with some semblance of competance whereas police work and similar fields require their participants overcome the most basic of human responses with near perfection in an instant's notice. <br /><br />Easier said than done - especially if you're standing on the sidelines having never stepped foot onto the field of play. <br /><br />txswinner:<br /><br />I get what you're saying - and agree that you know the hours when you take the job. What I'm objecting to is the idea that cops are fair game for abuse and that they have no complaint, no matter how they're treated. <br /><br />All:<br /><br />I've been sued once. The guy who sued is an ex-cop who runs dope and **********s for the Hell's Angels. I put a federal dope case on him and he put a federal civil rights suit on me. We spent three days in court listening to ridiculous testimony and allegations of police misconduct, excessive force, and other assorted violations. The jury spent 25 minutes coming back with a finding for us. It probably took them 20 minutes to pour coffee, pass out donuts, and elect a jury foreman. He's an example of a cop who was policed by his own - first, when he lost his job, and later, when he went to prison.<br /><br />I appreciated the attorneys who defended us. I appreciate the prosecutors who prosecute our cases although they fall down on the job too often to get my two thumbs up. I even enjoy the defense attorneys I deal with when they don't go to ridiculous extremes to clear their clients. They're a necessary part of the legal system - but also the primary reason we'll never see legal reform in this country. They have a very strong political lobby and many holding elected office are or were attorneys. <br /><br />Like I said before, it's not the crooks, it's the uninformed but judgemental public and the political nature of our own administrations, occasionally filled with hypocrites, that offer the average cop the most stress. Truth be told - I like dealing with the crooks. I know where I stand with them, and they with me. The trick is in determining who's a crook and who isn't with grace and diplomacy. Most of the complaints made in this thread cite precisely this failure. <br /><br />I challenge those with nothing but complaints to walk a mile in my moccasins so to speak. Surely there's room for you to join your local police reserves. You won't be "in the game", but you'll be close enough to see what it's really about. <br /><br />I think you'd be surprised at what you see and learn about human interaction in the worst of circumstances.
 

gatorboaterUF

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Can't yall just stop this fighting cop haters are gonna hate police and the police are gonna do there jobs and uphold the rights of the cop hater's. If you cop haters really have a problem with the police doing something wrong just call there agency's office of professional standerds and report it, if your complaint is legit that officer or deputy is gonna be delt with. \<br /><br />If you think you know better and could make the world a happyer place sign up at your local police academy and make a diffrence
 

scrapper

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gatorboaterUF :::, Well said !!. I think its time to put this thread to bed.
 

SwampNut

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if your complaint is legit that officer or deputy is gonna be delt with.
It's a great fantasy, but just not true.
 

deputydawg

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SwampNut, being a supervisor I can say any complaint on my department IS dealt with. The thing is most complaints are frivilous or have no evidence to back them. One major complaint is that the cop is speeding. Well provide a time and place. Without that can't follow up on it. If I get multiple complaints from multiple sources then I will deal with it but 1 complaint don't cut it without background. Time, location, how the complainer knows or believes the officer was speeding. I don't act on rumors or on that friend that said they saw something. <br /><br />Another thing to consider, when it is a monor complaint I do not make public or tell the complainer what action is taken. This would be very unprofessional, and would make it harder for that officer to do their job. Would also open me up for severe civil penalties. So maybe they are dealt with. <br /><br />Final thought before I put this to bed for Wannagofishin. You sound like your ideas and beliefs are strong so I will not debate this with you, although I think we could get into a very interesting one. It is time to move on, and I probably wouldn't be able to change your mind any as you probably couldn't change mine. Just one final thought.<br />You asked how many cops were Masons? I am assuming by that statement you are. I knew an officer once who was a Mason. He applied for a job with us. I didn't hire him after the interview, something just didn't set right with me and another applicant was more qualified. After the interview he and I had a personal conversation about our town and in passing it came up he wa a mason. On to my point.<br />He was hired in a neighboring county a month later. After about a year there he was fired and convicted of some things involving abuse of power, theft and other things. On our drug task force and SWAT team we assisted in his serving several search warrants. The last one I pulled my officers out and left because of what he was pulling. <br />He was convicted of stealing drug money out of evidence and out of the task force buy funds. Did jail time for that. It was also proven he lied on several court documents. Now all of his cases are being appealed and overturned. <br /><br />So point #1, being a Mason wasn't much of a bragging point with him.<br />#2 by your theory of 1 bad apple spoiling the batch, are all masons liars and theives? <br /><br />I am assuming not, but without knowing the core beliefs and interior workings of that organization...and knowing 1 Mason was then should I assume? <br />I don't assume so much, just food for thought. Just like that officer made it hard for the rest of us working narcotics because people assume we are all like him. I am very lucky and work in an area that has officers of the highest integrity and honesty. And BTW the reason he got fired and convicted was because myself and several othe officers complained and told his supervisors of the stuff we had witnessed.
 

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I wanna jump in here before the post goes to bed.<br /><br />First, I want to thank EVERY LEO on this board, and all the other GOOD guys and gals out there for protecting us. I sure do appreciate your service.<br /><br />Secondly, going back to the Bob and the original complaint. Have any of you ever seen Bob? I have. Let me say this - he is unemployed, and ex-military man, who blows up things for fun and movies. Oh, and he is a pretty big guy. Now, knowing that, wouldn't YOU want to check him out before getting too close for comfort? ;) :p <br /><br />Just having some fun here, but also pointing out some true statements. I will say that Bob is a straight up guy - super nice and will do anything within reason for you. I am glad I can call him a friend, and I don't think he will get upset with me. (you won't will you, Bob? I don't want anything blown up, here! And I will be needing some maple syrup soon also :) )<br /><br />There are always two sides to every story. I do not mind that a LEO checks my license for outstanding warrants, but as already discussed in this thread there is a right way and a wrong way. Unfortunately too many LEO's feel that they must intimidate to gain respect first (just my opinion from some of the local Staties).<br /><br />Ya'll have a nice day, and again, thank-you to all LEO's on this board!
 

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Anyone that blows stuff up is OK by me! <br /><br />3 sayings in my job come to mind.<br /><br />In God we trust, everyone else gets ran NCIC/NCIS<br /><br />If I wanted to be liked I would have been a fireman.<br /><br />I believe nothing I hear and only half of what I see.<br /><br />Ya'll drive safely and have a nice day now.
 

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Hey, that's not the reason I wanted to become a fireman. It was to ride around in that big ole truck with all the lights and sirens going. I like making a dramatic entrance!
 

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This is the kind of thing that drives most people crazy. A few years ago, my house was broken into. As I drove home from my parants house(thanksgiving) I saw several police cars, all within 5 minutes of my house. As I got home and found windows broken, doors open, I called for police assistance. They said it would be awhile, and it took over twenty minutes for an officer to show up at my house. Not trying to start a fight, but if I had simply swerved or driven over the speed limit, I could have had a cop at my house in under two minutes. Thinking about all of the police cars that I saw on my way home that night, if anyone of them was "available" to actually help a property owner , I would have had police help in under a minute. Instead, I waited outside for twenty minutes, finaly a cruiser came by.....nothing was done and nothing was found. Thank you for the "law enforcement" we all pay for....you are worthless!!
 

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Some time ago there was a fiasco near my office even worse than that. There would regularly be 4 motor cops giving tickets at our intersection. A woman was raped and killed--slowly--about 1/4 mile away. The nearby motor cops didn't respond to the 911 because it wasn't their job, and the ones responding took a while because they were far away.<br /><br />I don't know if the cops even knew about it, they may not have been called on this at all. In any case, it shows the mentality of the people who set policy--don't disrupt the income flow.<br /><br />A few years ago I caught a burglar in the act and held him at the end of my shotgun. It took 20 minutes to get them to come do the paperwork after I'd done the real work. Do you know how long 20 minutes is with a pissed off criminal laying on your floor? I called several times and just got the "they are on other priority calls" answer.<br /><br />So when my motorcycle was stolen one night, who did I call? All my friends with guns. We found it very quickly, in an alley, where they were trying to break the ignition and hadn't yet succeeded.<br /><br />I wouldn't bother calling the police for anything important. If it's an emergency, I can only count on myself, friends, and neighbors.
 

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Waterone and Swampnut.<br />Don't know if your towns are like this, but the city I used to work in was.<br />We had radio cars, they had a radio programmed for the 911 dispatcher frequency. They got called to the emergency calls. Then we had investigative units, they were dispatched through a different center and only went after the first responders assessed the scene. Then we had traffic cars. These had radios programmed to traffic dispatchers. <br />The trafficf cars were usually rookies. Their only duty was to work traffic or back up the radio cars if specifically requested to do so. The investigators could not tie themselves up with radio calls or with traffic detail. <br /><br />We did get complaints like yours about a car within a block of an emergency call not resonding. <br /><br />The theory behind this was to make things work smoother. In most cases they did. The 911 dispatchers did not have their frequency cloged with traffic cops. The traffic dispatchers did not have their frequencies clogged with dog calls and vandalism complaints. <br /><br />We also had cars responding to certain details like the crash units (gangs and drugs). They dispatched through their own cdom center and had almost no contact with anyone else. Then public relations officers that did nothing but traffic control at accidents and so on. They were usually un-armed un trained citizen employees in a uniform. <br /><br />Not knowing your situations I can't say how it was. Maybe check into the details and the comm centers before jumping to the conclusion they ignored your calls.<br /><br />I agree that where I worked when they disseminated the calls to the respective units, they should have been allowed more freedom like sending traffic cops on radio calls if it was an emergency and nobody was available. But the dispatchers sitting in the com centers did not know what it was like in real life on the streets. The 911 operstors did not know where the traffic guys were so would not forward the call is one was closer. <br /><br />They needed better radios so all details could monitor each other, but that would have cost over a million total. The city fathers didn't think we needed the money or that capability. Made us look bad, but not our fault. We took the brunt of the complaints but could do nothing.
 

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Deputydawg - don't bother.<br /><br />My final comment - then I'm out of this one. <br /><br />Waterone1 is late to the party and apparently neither he nor swampnut care to read or consider the posts surrounding theirs - and worse yet, neither is willing to consider anything other than their own points of view. They're not intersted in how and why things happen the way they do. <br /><br />They speak with great authority on the subject. They know what they're talking about because... well... let's see... it'll come to me... OK - they have absolutely no way to know what they're talking about, but you have to respect and admire the fact that they don't let that stop them. <br /><br />Don't underestimate the human ability to rationalize. People like these won't let little things like the facts or reality get in their way.<br /><br />Ever notice how people like this never seem to actually DO anything with the vast and tremendous knowledge they have? They have all of the answers and rather than doing anything constructive or helpful they choose to stand aside and criticise everyone else.<br /><br />No doubt they could solve the crime problem one week and world hunger the next - if they weren't so busy doing... let's see... must be something very important...<br /><br />Just two more opinions heard from the peanut gallery.
 
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