High compression heads

jim dozier

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Re: High compression heads

Just to second Merctech, gasoline internal combustion engines are designed around controlled ignitions of gas/air mixtures (and measurable flame front velocities). This applies controlled dynamic pressures on the pistons at timed intervals to maximize the downthrust on the piston/rod within the limits of the metallurgy of the engine and provide the torque on the crankshaft. Ignition timing is obviously critical to ignite the mixture at the appropriate time. Because the flame front and associated pressure wave travels at a measurable speed, ignition must occur before (in advance of) the optimun place in the crankshaft angle so that the the maximum pressure (which takes time to build) occurs where it will do the most good. Variations in mixtures (lean/rich) will affect flame front travel times, and compression ratios will affect ignitability of the mixture. Higher octane gas is used in higher compression engines to slow the ignitability and flame front down to appropriate levels. Pre-ignition is ignition that occurs prior to the electronic ignition. It can be due to too high compression igniting it (like a diesel), hot spots like carbon or sharp edges that retain prior combustion heat, or too low octane for the engine which is kind of the same as too high compression mentioned above. Pre-ignition (or too early ignition) is likely to cause detonation which is uncontrolled combustion (kind of like cancer is uncontrolled cell growth in an organism). Detonation results in cylinder pressures in excess of design limts and occurs at awkward crankshaft angles and can put a hole in a piston, bend a rod, hammer bearings, stretch cylinder bolts and blow the head off of engines (2 stroke or 4 stroke). Detonation is death to gasoline internal combustion engines. That is why the compression ratio discussion that started this post is important. Semantics is important for communicating our problems in a technical arena.
 

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Semantics are not that important in this instance. I certainly knew what spark roost was talking about. Predetonation works because the detonation occurs before it is supposed to, before the spark if high compression is the concern. High compression causes it with lower octane fuel aka knocking. Why don't we get on with the solution. For the heck of it, how about detonationprenormdetonation or detonationpreignition???
 

ledgefinder

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Spark -<br /><br />The Sierra number for what they call a "low compression head gasket" is 18-3898. That number applies to your 1973 OMC 115 (and 3.5" crossflows from 1973 to at least 1995). The regular thickness gasket is 18-2956. IBoats may have them, if not yell.<br /><br />I don't know how much thicker the low compression gaskets are - my understanding is that OMC lowered the compression on these engines, then marketed a gasket that would accomplish the same thing on the earlier engines.
 

sparkroost

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Obviously there is an advantage to higher compresison heads. They used them to get a more explosive charge. There is also a disadvantage, pre-ignition caused from the fuel becoming volatile at higher compression ratios, like a diesel, except that diesel has a higher flash point and can be compressed much more than gasoline.<br /><br />Now there is a problem with 91 octane fuel in that it leaves carbon buildup and also has agents in it that will clean the bearings too clean..<br /><br />89 octane? Has anyone used this fuel with higher compression heads(actually the highest they had in that era that were stock on the v4)? Has anyone determined the max-safe advance with 89 and good fuel?<br /><br />Anyone running 91 on theres?<br /><br />Fuel additives?<br /><br />I would like to know when in time someone decided that detonation meant "uncontrolled explosion"? If we are going to re-invent the dictionary, let's throw Pre-Detonation over to webster and see if we can make some money.
 

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Sparkroost, I was on your side when you were ridiculed (that engineer comment hurt, lol), but, the way I've heard it, detonation refers to the phenom also known as knocking. I have a high compresion 73 135 johnson, and use 89 octane. I don't think I get any "knocking", but they say it is hard to hear. The recommended advance is 22 deg per my service manual I think. I posted that, will find and link.
 

jim dozier

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High speed knocking (pinging, or detonation) is hard to hear in 4 strokes and I'm told really hard to hear at WOT in 2 strokes, the first indication in motorcycles and outboards usually being perforated pistons and such.
 
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