High rpm outdrive slipping

[Bondo]

Re: High rpm outdrive slipping

anyone find anything on the transmission,

If you Look at the provided links,<br />You'll see that it appears that you have a B/W Velvet-drive, 71-C..............<br />

i would really be looking to square away the wireing it is scary bad looking

That's an Understatement........<br />Looks like the Starter is Shimmed with a Washer.........<br />Loose,+ Hanging Wires Everywhere..........<br /><br />Make Sure your Fire extinguishers are Up to Date.......

 

[davidcflorida321]

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yes the wires look bad, but i'm trying to get everything running good before i crimp and tie all wires up, i could not find a starter that wasn't grinding against the flywheel so i had to temporarily shim it to get it starting right, all the wires are a mess because its a work in progress, i rewired the entire boat, but water tested the boat today and my transmission is working in reverse, but it does not lock into foward gear, it moves at idle speed but if i hit the throttle it just reves, its definately my transmission,ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN BUY REBUILD PARTS FOR IT AND MAYBE A MANUAL FOR THE TRANS? BOAT RUNS GREAT BUT IF TRANY ISN'T WORKING I CAND DO MUCH WITH IT..... GREAT 26 FT OFFSHORE BOAT I GOT FOR FREE, tranny was working fine but then it sat for almost a year at a boat yard not being cared for. i had to break the engine free by hand to get it turning over, is it possible something was frozen in the tranny and when i broke it free it snapped something in the transmission?

 

[Don S]

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The trany is part of the drive system, so the manuals probably have the info on it also.<br />Call Marysville marine, they seem to have the information and parts.<br />Look at my previous links.<br /><br />

GREAT 26 FT OFFSHORE BOAT I GOT FOR FREE

That may have been too high a price.

 

[davidcflorida321]

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i also looked at the links and my numbers on my stern drive appear differnt this is my plate number<br />01m160lr7710<br />what manual should i get, is there a company i can call to get parts or manuals? thanks to everyone who is helping me out

 

[Bondo]

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Call Marysville marine, they seem to have the information and parts.

Their Home page is listed on Every page that Don,+ I listed................

 

[Don S]

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Like I said earlier, call Marysville marine. There was no one here that even knew what it was until I posted your pictures, then by looking at them both Bondo and I did google searches to come up with the the info we did.<br />In other words, we can't help you with questions on parts, manuals, or repairs,, but we did find you links to people that can help.

 

[f_inscreenname]

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OMG!!!! I do not say this lightly and please don't take this as a insult but you may want to start thinking about a drive package. The parts for the outdrive and transmission alone are going to be a nightmare and big $$$$$$. The motor..............well lets just say you have a nice Edelbrock on top. I hope a least if you have to pull the motor for transmission work you at least paint it to stop the rust. <br /><br />a side note; that drive looks like a hybrid between a old Volvo with home made trim (transom shield) and a mercruiser drive. Very strange indeed.

 

[davidcflorida321]

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thanx everyone who has helped me out, i did call a company from the links i was given and they are the right people to talk to. I ordered 2 manuals one for the transmission and and one for the stern drive. the stern drive is a marine drive systems model 100 and the transmission is a velvet drive c71 or c72. <br />I like the boat, and the engine is in perfect running condition, looks bad but i have to get everything running right before i dress her up to look nice. A new drive system is way too much, i do all my own work so its just a matter of buying parts. This boat will be tip top when i'm done. If i buy a new drive i'll just have to fix it sometime too......lol

 

[Don S]

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Great to hear you've found some manuals, I did find a picture of a Borg tranny that will at least show you where the dipstick is supposed to be. You can at least check the oil. They BW tranny's use ATF in them.<br /><br />

 

[Bondo]

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I Too am Glad you're headed the right way......<br /><br />You have a Long Road ahead of you.....<br /><br />f_in brings up the point about Finding,+ Buying Part$ for a Mongrel.......<br /><br />I Hope that you're Wrong about your Engine.........<br />351 Windsors were reasonably common,+ Manifolds are easy enough to find..........<br />If it's a 351 Cleveland, <br />When those Manifolds need Replacing(they Look to be Ready Now), Your going to be in Deep Dooo...................

 

[f_inscreenname]

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“looks bad but i have to get everything running right before i dress her up to look nice”<br />Dress her up, hell son that motor is naked. <br />The curiosity is killing me. What is that hose coming out of the top of the drive and going into the transom?

 

[Don S]

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Naked????? What do you mean naked.......That Ford has the finest coat of rust I have ever seen on an engine that still ran. <br />If it was mine, the first thing I would do is pull the engine and tranny and do some serious cleaning with some wire brushes to get as much rust off as possible, then spray some Ospho on it for a few coats, then paint it a color I liked. I would be really worried about the pan and timing chain cover. Clean up the pulleys so the belts don't wear out in 15 minutes. Then find out which of the parts like starter, alternator, fuel pump, carb etc. are actually automotive and not marine parts and get them off the engine ASAP.<br />I think David has miles of work ahead of him to get it fixed right

 

[nms1991]

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You can get parts for that from any PCM dealer because it is a 351 Windsor engine converted by PCM for whom ever installed the drive. Please say that is not a Automotive starter and altenator on the engine. The exhaust manifold looks like osco versions. The Borg Warner trans kits are availible from sierra or you can get parts from any place that sells parts for skiboats. The trans is fairly easy to rebuild with common hand tools except for a pair snapring pliers for a snap ring that is in the forward clutch pack.

 

[f_inscreenname]

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I would not buy from PMC for 351 Windsor parts. The same parts are available from many other sources for a lot less. Only go to PMC for parts that you can not find anywhere else. The same goes for Mercruiser and Volvo. Why pay extra for a (Volvo, Mercruiser, PMC, etc) sticker on over top of a Ford stamp.

 

[davidcflorida321]

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thatnks for all the feedback, i know the boat is in rough shape, the hose that is coming off the top and going to the transom is actually a heater hose, comming from the coolant tank behind the engine, that pic of the trany is my trany, and i am pulling the engine tommarro and doing just that, sand blasting and painting the engine, as well as rebuilding the tranny. there is an outomotive starter and altornator on it now, and from the way you all speak i guess it is a must to have all marine equipment on the engine?.....i'm new to the boating thing and all the advice i get i will definatley take advantiage of, the only advice i won't listen to is get rid if the boat.......lol, i don't have a problem spending money on it to make it an enjoyable offshore boat. i have about 1,500 in to it already, i'm going all the way to restore it to excellent shape so atleast when i'm done i know the boat inside and out. thats why i got the boat from my friend, a project boat is what it is for me. i've done lots of projects and they look great and run excellent when there done. ususally cars, but this is the first boat. i'll keep updates, and pics comming through the process. like i said i'll take all the advice i can get, thanks everyone.

 

[f_inscreenname]

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If you are “rebuilding” the boat. When the motor is out I would do a rebuild to it also. After a motor has sat for a long time the seals tend to dry out. A heck of a time to find out if they are or not is after you put it all back together and run it hard for the first time. Also if it dose blow something I am sure it will be followed shortly by other thing breaking so it would be a lot cheaper now to do it. I can dig on doing it all yourself. That is how I did mine. It was a $800.00 boat off of eBay. I have 4 years into it and there is always something else to do but for me that is half the fun.

 

[Bondo]

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Ayuh,.........Gotta Agree with f_in,........<br /><br />It would be nice to throw in a New set of Gaskets,+ Seals..............<br />Checking the Bearings,+ Tolerances wouldn't hurt either.......<br />'Course, If you found you Needed Machine Work, Then I'd shoot for some HorsePower............ <br /><br />You've got a Long Road ahead of you.............<br /><br />Good Luck,........<br /><br />We'll be here to Help...................

 

[davidcflorida321]

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New question, i have pulled my engine out and found a triangle thing with springs in the center of it that attaches to the flywheel is that some type of clutch? if it is, is there a way to test it to see if that is what is slipping when i throttle up?,

 

[davidcflorida321]

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New question, i have pulled my engine out and found a triangle thing with springs in the center of it that attaches to the flywheel is that some type of clutch? if it is, is there a way to test it to see if that is what is slipping when i throttle up?, the numper on that part is 81104 900219 ab if that means anything

 

[Don S]

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It's know as a vibration damper, flex plate, and several other names. If the inside part with the splines is loose and can be turned, then the damper is bad. But if the springs are all intact and you can't turn it, it's ok. It can't start slipping, it's either good or bad as far as turning your transmission goes.