How do I know if the timming is off?

1970kayhydro

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I have a 1971 40 hp johnson, I am not sure if the timming is set right. What would be some signs of the timming being off? Timming advancement?
 

karlow1

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Re: How do I know if the timming is off?

Did you read the manual?
Do you have a timimg light?
 

1970kayhydro

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Re: How do I know if the timming is off?

Iv'e been looking for the book to the motor, but I packed it away 7 years ago just like the boat. I could get a timming light, do you just hook it up to the top spark plug and there are markings on something?
 

Silvertip

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Re: How do I know if the timming is off?

Yes -- that's how timing lights work and yes there are timing marks. You set idle timing AND wide open throttle timing. If any of this is foreign to you, be aware that two-strokes are very timing sensitive. Do it wrong and you will be looking for a new motor -- or something to plug the holes that appeared in the tops of the pistons.
 

MrGED05

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Re: How do I know if the timming is off?

Sir,
Symptoms of bad timing: Hard to start. Won't pull full RMP under load. Backfires. Knocking. Irregular idle. Runs hot. Burnt spark plugs. Stutter during acceleration. There are others but those are the main ones.
According to my manual, the '71 - '73s have flywheel magneto ignition systems and are safety protected by a vacuum "run away" safety switch.
The timing on these engines is set by the gaps on the points. This should be set at .020 (twenty thousandths).
Remove the flywheel, the ignition is underneath. (be careful, the groove for the starter rope and the starter teeth are easily damaged) Use a gear puller and the three tapped (1/4 - 20 thread) holes in the center. Set the flywheel aside, magnet side up, to prevent it from picking up metalic debris.
Remove the spark plugs to make the next step easier.
Bad points are pitted, warped, discolored, misaligned or bent. Replace them. Only a very minor imperfection is enough to throw timing way off.
Rotate the crankshaft until the keyway is pointed at the ignition points. That locates the high spot on the crankshaft cam lobe to fully open the points. Run a feeler gauge through the gap between the points. The gauge should just lightly drag on both sides of the points, not enough to move them further open. The center screw is the hold down, it needs to be loosened for you to be able turn the adjustment screw which has an elliptical head. Re-check the gap after tightening, often tightening the hold down screw will alter the gap you just set. Proceed to the next set of points.
While you're in there, closely examine the ignition coils for any sign of over-heating or damage. If there are any visable signs of damage, the coil should be replaced. If you're good with a multimeter you can check the coils electronically, the manual will give the proper resistance numbers for your ignition.
The spark plugs should be set to .030 gap (thirty thousandths) and torqued down to 210 - 246 inch pounds with NEW plug gaskets.
Not a difficult job, most people handy around boats can do it.
Do NOT hammer the flywheel back into place when rebuilding, use the crankshaft nut to pull it down. Be sure the key and keyway are free of dirt and debis.
 

MrGED05

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Re: How do I know if the timming is off?

oops, I forgot to note that the proper gap for the points is .020 (twenty thousandths)
Gary
 

1970kayhydro

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Re: How do I know if the timming is off?

Thank You, that was exactly whati needed to know! I changed the points when I reassembled the motor and did it just how you explaned. So there is no other timming adjustment besides the points? Im pretty sure i have the timming advancement set real close to where it should be. The motor starts right up and runs. The only other problem is that it takes a long time to get up to speed but that i have learned that is because i have to short shaft the motor and rebuild the carb.

Thanks again,
Erik
 

MrGED05

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Re: How do I know if the timming is off?

Eric,
Yes. The timing is set by the point gap. The rest of the timing process is purely mechanical and fixed, cam lobe location and lift.
Glad it is starting and running correctly.
Before you rebuild the carb, try something that often works to remove old varnish and small deposits in carb passages. Buy a can of "SeaFoam" and follow the directions on the can. That has worked for me a couple of times.
If you have to rebuild the carb, the carb kits are cheap and readily available.
Gary
 
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