HS graduation rates

mattttt25

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was reading an article in TIME from last month... strong research supports the fact that 1 in 3 high school students in the U.S. do not graduate. that number blew me away.<br /><br />with all the perceived problems our country faces, i think this could be one of the biggest and most alarming. what are your thoughts???
 

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Re: HS graduation rates

Too many graduate with a diploma they can't read. It is a problem and the teachers union keeps reminding the tax payers that higher teacher salaries are the solution. In my school district on Long Island the school administration salary range is $91,750 to $159,029. The teachers salary range is $31,188 to $122,570 and 118 of the teachers are paid over $100,000 a year. On top of that they receive a benefit package worth 35% of thier salary. The pensions are up to 75.55% of final average salary. Last week the proposed school budget with a 15% increase was voted down, thankfully. For that kind of money we should be turning out first class students, but, we're not. <br /><br />Soap box turned off. :p
 

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What do you wont them to do? they got thier priortys straight. Whats more important getting high and partying with your friends, or some stupid old education thing. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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It very much depends on the area.In the greater Rochester,NY area,there are 5 schools that according to newsweek are in the nation's top 100 schools.(Wilson magnet school,Brighton district,West Irondequoit,Pittsford.Macedon).An average of 94% of these high school students continue to graduate college.At least for Upstate NY,Time magazine is off the mark.<br />The teachers are paid well and this attracts the best and brightest teachers available.They know what they are worth.<br />The most important part however is the general attitude of the parents of school age kids.If the parents are motivated and willing to invest their time,to give their children an educational edge in life,the results will be clear.
 

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This is one where there is lots of blame to spread around, but I would place a good share of it on the parents.<br /><br />I recall when my daughter was in high school, and I called the school one semester asking when the parent/teacher conferences were.<br /><br />They set up a private conference between me and her teachers, as apparently I was the only parent to request one.<br /><br />That's sure as heck not the teacher's fault. I found the teachers, with some exceptions, pretty decent professionals, BTW
 

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Well my oldest is about to graduate, but I never did. Parents were the problem with me. They were doing their own deal and not really paying attention, and that was perty dern near 30 years ago, and my Mom was a College professor . . .<br /><br />Anyway, I really don't think parents are the issue today, any more than they were when I was a kid. I know a lot of very dedicated parents. We have some good public schools too, in some ways also better than what I went to. The median income numbers probably favor where I grew up compared to here, after adjusting for inflation.<br /><br />I guess to draw any conclusions we would first need to know what the rate was with the exact same methodology 25 - 50 years ago too . . . No?
 

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There is no simple "cause and effect"<br /><br />I graduated from college, and as a high school kid I got pulled out of school by my father for months at a time to work for him.<br /><br />When the school called him on it, he told them I was his son, and he could do any dam thing he pleased with me. (He also never paid me a dime for my labor)<br /><br />I worked it out with my teachers to keep up with my work on my own, and show up when I could.<br /><br />When I entered college, he refused to even fill out a finacial form so I could qualify for student loans, saying going to college was my way of avoiding getting a real job, and his income was none of their #$%^& business.<br /><br />So it took me 6+ years to get a 4 year degree, but I got it.<br /><br />I got an education in spite of my parents. I suspect I am the exception, rather than the rule.
 

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Just what the Elite want to maintain masses who then become dependant on them. Notice the Elite never complain about education. Their kids do fine and go on to higher education at the finest schools and go on further to take their place among the ranks of Elite-dom.<br /><br />Notice it is the Elite who want to give amnesty to illegal immigrants and leave the borders status-quote. The resulting under-class of uneducated, unskilled people further strengthening their position as Elite.
 

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Kagee,please notice that this is not 17th century England.In this country anybody who is willing to invest in education for himself or his children can do so.Nobody holds you back,unless you do it to yourself.<br />People who do not invest in their own future only have themselves to blame!!
 

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> Kagee,please notice that this is not 17th century England.In this country anybody who is willing to invest in education for himself or his children can do so.Nobody holds you back,unless you do it to yourself.<br />People who do not invest in their own future only have themselves to blame!!
Yepper
 

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Kagee,please notice that this is not 17th century England.In this country anybody who is willing to invest in education for himself or his children can do so.Nobody holds you back,unless you do it to
Well i would strongly disagree with that at least on Long Island we have a PRIVATE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM with poverty rates rangeing from 0% TO ABOUT 55% <br /><br />Some of the systems are within 2 miles of each other and the prevailing attitude is that if we can aford to pay more taxes are children should have a better PUBLIC SCHOOL <br /><br />And nobody is getting bussed into the better systems in fact they keep FULL TIME STAFF to stop border jumping into a better PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM<br /><br />In my last house we were in south country schools One of the poorest on LI<br /><br />metal detectors at the doors wand searches Gangs the whole deal<br /><br /> I was luckey that i have saved enough by then to move to Commack schools and it made the world of difference for my children to be in a place were learning and not dealing with discipline problems was the primary mission<br /><br />tommays
 

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strong research supports the fact that 1 in 3 high school students in the U.S. do not graduate. that number blew me away.
I wish Milwuakee Public High Schools saw that kind of percentage. I think the graduation rate is now down to the low 40's upper 30's.<br /><br />I went to a high school with a 98% graduation rate.....my class had 99%. Based on the fact that any decent paying job will usually rewuire hs education, I think it is a huge problem. Is it possible to get by without one; sure....... but its getting harder and harder
 

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Nope, it's not 17th century. We have our own 21st century version of things.<br /><br />Personal responsibility? Children? Young teens? <br />Alrighty then. :rolleyes:
 

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It seems to me that the veterans of world war two and Korea did rather well for the country and I don’t imagine that the average education was much more than high school.<br /> <br /> The jobs that they came home too would be the equivalent in pay to what in today’s dollars would be calling for a BS and they didn’t need two people to make ends meet. Mom could stay home and take care of the children.
 

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You seem to be forgetting, treedancer, that the technology has changed since WWII and now a high school diploma is needed (at least). Anyone without one will not have the time, or be given the time, to learn a high tech job. Especially if it requires thinking. I don't mean common sense. PW2 was abused when his father pulled him out of school to work without pay. That is illegal. I wonder why the school didn't pursue the truancy in the courts.<br /><br />There are a lot of jobs out there that one can do being functionally illiterate. That is, you can write your name and maybe read a tape measure.<br /><br />Teacher pay is low. I don't care where you are. You get what you pay for. Now days it is a plus for a teacher to have a Masters Degree. Eight years of education is not cheap and it takes many years to pay back student loans.<br /><br />Someone in this thread says the "Elite" wants to keep the masses dependent. This reasoning is not very sound and not worthy of a responce.
 

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Read Tom Friedman's book, "The World is Flat"<br /><br />It is no longer the case that a geographic accident of birth is enough. <br /><br />It is not some grand "Elite" conspiracy theory (whatever that is)<br /><br />In the words of my friend Hillary, it "Takes a Village"
 

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Wow. I never knew how exceptional I was :rolleyes: or wait, maybe I am functionally illiterate . . . Oh, no, wait, Hillary's village fixed me right up . . . I may have blamed parents as a reason for not getting a diploma, but it was not about pushing me to work harder in school. It was about who I was hanging around with and that I was too cool for school . . . Sometimes kids need simple guidance, not just allowing them to go to school ;) <br /><br />A simple need of cash changed that attitude . . . I guess I got the cash from the "Village". Good thing the Village was investing in inventory and building new houses and thank the Village for moving goods produced by investments in machine tools, that required new trucks, that was encouraged by tax credits and the opportunity to become financially elite, that was driving the economy that got me a job that allowed me to get a check to buy stuff made by those machine tools and hauled by those trucks that were encouraged by the tax benefits and opportunity.<br /><br />I guess the Village could have fed me at the soup kitchen though if all of that was not happening. Yeah, that would've been nice . . .<br /><br />Oh, oh and if you are ever in a job interview and your are a dropout, when they ask if you have a HS Diploma, just nod your head up and down . . . ;)
 

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You seem to be forgetting, treedancer, that the technology has changed since WWII and now a high school diploma is needed (at least). Anyone without one will not have the time, or be given the time, to learn a high tech job
You are right ztim04 times have changed and technology have made it imperative that if you want a real good job you need specialized training. But some people have neither the desire nor the means to get the training. <br /><br /><br /> And I am not forgetting that we have between ten and twelve million illegals in this country looking for work. I am betting that not many of them have high school diplomas. I would also bet that not too many have special skills either. <br /><br /><br /> I am also going to make a guess that not half of them contribute to the tax or social security system. It seems to me that we would be better served if we could get the American high school high school dropouts working and paying into taxes and social security rather than having some illegals working off the books.<br /><br /> There is a whole lot of boomers coming of age pretty soon and they are wondering how the social security will be able to handle them, well this seems to be rather good place to start get some Americans on the books contributing to the system. <br /><br /> You constantly hear the Mantra that Americans will not do the work that the immigrants will do, that’s BS.If your out of work and want to you will take what work you can get until something better comes along, or you get some training that will get you a better job.<br /><br /> Im betting that if you trace the saying that American will not take the job that illegles are doing you will find someone that has a history of hiring a lot if illegles
 

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Originally posted by treedancer:<br />
You seem to be forgetting, treedancer, that the technology has changed since WWII and now a high school diploma is needed (at least). Anyone without one will not have the time, or be given the time, to learn a high tech job
You are right Matt.........................
I think that was ztim04.Unless his name is Matt too.I guess we all make mistakes.
 

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A lot of the blame rests on parents. My wife teaches at an inner city school. On open house night, they will have 5-10 parents show for the whole grade leve.<br /><br />As more and more migrants move into the area(wont call them illegals because I cant prove it), parent participation is actually increasing. The Hispanic parents take a much greater interest in their childrens affairs.<br /><br />Here is a good aside for you. The school is required to give 2 field trips per year. A note will be sent home asking for approval and $5 or so for the field trip. If the parents dont pony up the $5, the teacher is supposed to pay out of their pocket.
 
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