Hull bounce?

bobdec

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Re: Hull bounce?

Stuee, porpoising can be caused by different factors. Has to do with center of gravity of your boat, weight distribution, hull design. And it may take multiple things to remedy. Double click the attached picture . You are pushing a load balanced on a fulcrum from the rear. The load is your boat, the fulcrum is where your hull and the water lift occurs, it moves arouns as you acellerate. The force pushing you forward is the prop. If your engine is to low then it will exert forces to lift the bow, if engine is to high it will cavitate loose forward force and move the fulcrum. Engine trim is also a factor as it moves the angle of the prop in relation to the boat, more or less up forces applied to the bow. If rear is to heavy it will tend to keep bow up. Whats happening is as you are trying to push forward and also hold the bow down, it drops, but then at certain speeds or conditions the fulcrum moves, or the prop forward/upward force shifts, front to rear balance is lost and the bow rises back up. Then fulcrum then moves to a good spot and bow drops down and the cycle repeats. Basically the boat is not set correctly for all the forces needed to hold a steady plane. Correct weight distribution, motor placement, prop and hull defects are first to look at. The rest are just bandages if to hide the problem.

There are multiple things that can fix porpoising. Re-balancing load rear to front that you have already tried, raising the engine so it has more forward leverage and less up leverage (think theoretically of a prop 10 feet down in the diagram, how it would tend to push the bow up almost vertical). Tabs can be of value to to push up the stern. A lift type of prop will give a upward force to the stern. Sometimes it takes only one or multiple fixes. Hopefully you don't have a distorted hull that moves the fulcrum around and makes balancing a moving target.

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stuee

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Re: Hull bounce?

Thanks everyone for your input,
I have ordered the bennet pump from ebay. It turns out the the tabs are a Chinese brand but the hydraulics are bennets and also the box had a mount kit with seals etc :) win.
i also purchased SE 300 hydrofoil too. It wont do harm, im sure it can only do better if not helping with fuel usage too.
Im attached photos of the leg down and i think its sitting from the post earlier between B & C also when traveling im getting a fair bit of spray deflect from somewhere and will check out next time im out and get a mate to drive.

The other photos are of the Trim Tab locations. Where would be the best spot for them, where i roughly placed ?

thanks again all.
1 more thing, i cant get a straight edge under as the keel is sat on rollers.
 

stuee

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Re: Hull bounce?

Without trim tab
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Where i think it should go
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stuee

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Re: Hull bounce?

Leg fully down and height to me looking looks a bit too high?
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dan02gt

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Re: Hull bounce?

From what I can see your about on with the height, but it looks like you don't have a lot of negative trim. A set of transom wedges would help that or better yet a jack plate that allows for adding negative trim and tweaking your engine height ( The Hydrodynamics Rapid Jack is a good one)

On your trim tabs I would more them out a little to get them as close to where the transom curves as possible. I also don't think you should run the foil and the tabs. Most manufactures don't recommend both.
 

QC

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Re: Hull bounce?

I agree on the tab location, further outside is best. Also agree that you should try the tabs alone. I am a foil hater, so I must admit that, but both seems especially hateable :eek: :) Good luck!
 

Ned L

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Re: Hull bounce?

As others have suggested, are you certain you did not introduce a bit of rocker into the bottom when you rebuilt her?
 

smokeonthewater

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Re: Hull bounce?

def NOT too high, might even be able to raise it a bit more.... send the foil back to where it came from.... mount the tabs much further out board
 
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