I guess I'm going to bite the bullet...

jayhanig

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Back in late August I bought a 1985 17' Galaxy Bowrider Model 176 with the 140 HP GM stern drive. Being brand new to boating, I stupidly didn't insist on a test ride. Then Hurricane Earl interfered plus getting electronics installed and a few minor thing taken care of. To make a long story short, it was late September or early October before it hit the water.

And hit it it did. Aside from some problems with the trim, I never was able to get it to plane. Slow RPMs too, although it sounded good. But when I pulled it back out of the water, I found I'd brought a significant amount of the sound out with me. It drained for quite a while.

So I took it to a place that specializes in stern drives. And I waited. And I waited. And I waited. Finally I got a phone call saying the transom was rotted and that was where the water was coming through. He estimated roughly $2000 just to fix the transom and said he didn't consider it worth doing.

Well, I've got both an emotional and financial investment in this boat. So what to do? I called the local community college, which happens to have a Marine Technology program. Unfortunately, the instructor told me he was already scheduled through the academic year (August 2011) and so it would be next fall before he could even consider it as a project for his students. But I did get a recommendation out of him for somebody who does good restoration work.

So I called this other fellow and he estimated sight unseen it should run $1800 or thereabouts but he'd really have to see it. I remained noncommittal but I got good vibes from the guy. I got the address of where he works and told him I'd tow it up there early next week to let him see it. He did estimate it would take 2-3 weeks to complete in the winter (maybe 1.5 weeks in the summer when he's going balls to the walls).

My next step was to reconnoiter, which I did this afternoon. He rents space in a huge building at a Wilmington, NC boatyard. He wasn't there when I arrived, but then again I didn't tell him I was coming. But I got a tour of the place from another guy who was working on a 65' dinner boat up on blocks and he had good things to say about my guy.

So I'm seriously considering it. I've got about $3000 in boat, trailer, parts and labor in it and another $1000 or so in electronics. I just can't see parting it out and maybe getting half of that back at best.

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My lady friend said I need to change the name from the "No Good Deed" to "The Money Pit". But I'm obviously being punished so the former name still is appropriate.
 

'96 Charger

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Re: I guess I'm going to bite the bullet...

It's a nice looking boat. If it were me I'd go ahead and let the guy fix the transom and look it over to make sure the rest of it is solid.
 

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Forget the electronics, they can be transferred to almost ANY boat. You can't sell emotions, so try to avoid paying for them.

Let's say you have $3K in boat and trailer. What is the trailer alone worth? Subtract that from the $3K. Now, how much do you actually have invested in boat? Now look at the parts that are worth saving. Engine, outdrive, manifolds and risers, cleats, seats, windshield, guages, shifter and controls, etc? Obviously they won't get the same value as new, but it all adds up.

NOW, how much do you have invested in the boat? You MIGHT be able to walk away clean or for the price of a well learned lesson. I've seen more than one person get upside in their boat. I did it myself and won't make that mistake twice.

If you decide to get the work done, you'll have $5,000 into the boat ($6,000 if you include the electronics). Do you think if the boat were in 'Bristol' condition it would get $6K? See if a dealer will take it in trade if you don't want the hassle of parting it out.

I'm not saying it's not doable. I can't put a price on your emotional commitment to the boat. I can't even say which is the 'right' thing to do. I can only offer what I would do.

Take it for what it's worth. BOAT is a 4-letter word too, and it stands for Break Out Another Thousand.
 

jmarty10

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I agree with shrew. Cut your loses. Alot of times the restorer/mechanic gets their hands on the boat and finds another 1 or 2k worth of repairs to get it sea worthy. If you sell your electronics, drive, motor parts and trailer you may be able to purchase another boat that is sea worthy.
 

Pez Vela

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Shrew nailed it. Some of the best advice ever posted on a boating forum. The heartache you feel now may be dwarfed by what's in store for you if the restoration doesn't produce the desired results ... And there is no guaranty that it will.
 

ezez

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Shrew is right on the money. You can transfer the electronics to any boat. Sell the trailer and part that bad boy out . You'll be right around breaking even.
 

fishrdan

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Re: I guess I'm going to bite the bullet...

$2000 to have someone else repair a $3000 boat? Might just be the tip of the iceberg, I wouldn't do it. Kind of a shame as that is a really nice looking boat.

I'd repair it myself though. Remove the engine/drive and go to town ripping out the transom and replacing it. One thing to think about, if the transom is shot the stringers and deck could be bad also, could be opening a can or worms. Soaked foam can add a bunch of weight to the boat (500#???) and could be a reason why the boat was sluggish.

Sounds like it's decision time, sell it for a loss as a project boat, pay to have it repaired, repair it yourself, part it out.
 

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Gotta agree with the others. Has anybody checked the stringers? Hard to believe that the transom is the only thing that's shot. Water is insidious- it'll find every nook and cranny it can.

A cheap boat can turn into the most expensive toy you ever bought, and in the end it's still just a cheap boat. Cut your losses and take a lesson from it. Many of us have been there.

Wish you luck!

My .02
 

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Re: I guess I'm going to bite the bullet...

and when you replace it, look around at what the experienced boaters drive in your area. They aren't inboard bowriders with a lot of cushions. Those boats are not good for where you live.
 

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Re: I guess I'm going to bite the bullet...

Sorry for your troubles....The topic caught my eye because I have a 1985 Galaxy 176 I/0.
 

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jayhanig

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Re: I guess I'm going to bite the bullet...

and when you replace it, look around at what the experienced boaters drive in your area. They aren't inboard bowriders with a lot of cushions. Those boats are not good for where you live.


I noticed a while back how popular center console deep V hulls are around here with outboard engines. Then again, they're generally set up for fishing. I'm not much of a fisherman but your point isn't lost on me.
 

jayhanig

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Sorry for your troubles....The topic caught my eye because I have a 1985 Galaxy 176 I/0.


That's it, all right. What's your experience been with yours?
 

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Depending on how handy you are, and if you have the time and space, you might try fixing it yourself. If it was me, and it only issue is the transom(long shot), its worth trying to fix yourself. The main cost of the repair is going to be labor, not materials. The materials themselves are surprisingly cheap($300-500).

If you are going to part it out any way, why not pull the drive and engine, try to pull out the old transom and see if you can make a new one out of marine ply (just buy the plywood, not fiberglass and resin). If that goes poorly just start selling things, you are out about $100 for the plywood and the boat will be going to the junk yard anyway so who cares if the transom is out. If you make a good transom buy the glass and resin and glass it back where it should be. Throw the drive and engine back on and then enjoy your boat.

Sorry your boat turned out like that, that's a real bummer. Check out the restoration threads, they are a great source of info.
 

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I agree with jfadool ^^^
 

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I have a 1984 Galaxy 210 open bow, I had to do a deck replacement on it and this was my first boat and had never done it before. It wasn't that bad. There is a lot of great info on this forum and a lot great people willing to answer any question come up. It's true you could get into a lot of money, I know I have more in mine than its probably worth but I know what I have now (including the motor) Good Luck and keep us posted.
 

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BTW- I would suggest to ANYONE considering buying a boat, to have the boat surveyed. Surveys are expensive, so I would only do one on a boat I was certain I was going to buy. If you don't want to shell out for survey, at least have the seller take you on a sea trial. A one hour ride will allow you to confirm that all mechanicals work as expected. Take the boat up to WOT and hold it there for a few minutes to make sure she comes up on plane and to see if she starts smoking of overheating. Take a look in bilges and lockers. turn everything on and off to confirm things are functioning. Stick around for when the boat gets pulled and see what happens when you pull the plug. A few hours on a weekend is free and zero is greater than a negative number. It's much easier to walk away when you have no cash invested.

I look at the cost of a lesson learned as a long term savings for the future. Spend a thousand now and save thousands in the years to come.
 

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Re: I guess I'm going to bite the bullet...

That's it, all right. What's your experience been with yours?

I've had mine 14 years. It's been bullet-proof. Not because it is all that great of a built boat, because if you really look at it they cut some corners. It's been a great boat because of the care it has had. I bought it off of the original owner. He never let it get rained in. He wouldn't even let his kids climb in it without drying off. I took over his routine and have kept it dry as well. It looks better than most 5 year old boats on the lake.
 

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I don't know! A rotted transom is still covered by fiberglass. If the glass is still in good condition and not cracked, and yours appears to be, I don't see where it should leak.

Has anyone checked the rubber bellows between the outdrive and hull. They go bad frequently and are a primary cause of water in the hull. That's only a couple of hundred to fix.
 

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I agree with Frank, I have a similar boat (Glasstream bowrider with 140 Mercruiser). I had a torn gimbal boot that only let water in when it was turned in one direction. When it was straight, not a drip in sight. Took a lot of looking to find it. I also took in a surprising amount of water when the shift boot tore. I would look at the fiberglass on the outside of the boat (since it is easiest to see) and look for any cracks, and then stick the boat back in the lake and see with my own eyes where the water is coming in. Also make sure you don't have any through-hull fitting for live wells that have been disconnected or broken off. I definitely wouldn't pay for a transom repair if I didn't see the hole in it myself.
 

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I don't know! A rotted transom is still covered by fiberglass. If the glass is still in good condition and not cracked, and yours appears to be, I don't see where it should leak.

Has anyone checked the rubber bellows between the outdrive and hull. They go bad frequently and are a primary cause of water in the hull. That's only a couple of hundred to fix.

I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn't think a bad transom would drain a significant amount of water like the OP said his boat did.

I would think that a bad transom would be more of a structural integrity problem, rather than a flooding problem as with bad/torn bellows.
 
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