I tested rectifier

joshdashnaw

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So I did a simple resistance test on the rectifier that my manual said to do. It said there should be continuity one way but not the other. Which I believe means there should be resistance one way through it, but not the other. Well I was getting a resistance both ways, but it wasn't exactly the same but close. So I believe then that it must be bad. So is there anything I need to check before putting a new one in there so that I don't burn that one out too. The cheapest one I have found so far is $91, still kind of a lot when you aren't quite sure.
 

4runneradam

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Re: I tested rectifier

wow...$91 for that little rectifier? Seems waaay overpriced for just 4 diodes hooked together.

To test a diode (which a rectifier is simply 4 diodes hooked together) you need a multimeter that has a diode check function (not resistance) It will pass 4-5 volts through the diode. A diode is designed to only pass voltage one way, not the other.

Lets say your diode is labeled A, B, C, D. Top left being a, then b to the right, c below it, and D bottom left. Take your meter and set it to diode. Put your red lead on a, and black lead on b. You should read 4-5 volts. Now put your black lead on a and red lead on b (basically switching the leads around) and you should read NO voltage. If you read voltage both ways, or no voltage either way, you have a bad diode in your rectifier. Next step is take red lead to b, and black lead to c, check voltage, then swap them, and then keep going around the rectifier until you checked all 4 diodes forward and backward.

If this doesnt make sense let me know.
 

joshdashnaw

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checked ebay. None of them match part numbers to fit my engine. I don't mind spending the extra to get the right one. If I can be sure that is what I need. My Clymer manual used a resistance test. It failed with the pos. terminal but not with the negative terminal. The book was brief however so maybe I'll try the diode test, but feel I will get the same result since the ohmeter checks resistance by sending direct current through what you are checking and it will only flow one way through the diodes so that it can use the ac voltage coming from the alternator and charge the battery (direct current). Maybe I will just check voltage at the battery when accelerating to determine if battery is getting a charge.
 

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Re: I tested rectifier

As 4runneradam explained it is not only possible but common for a cheap meter to give false readings on diode. regarding which one to use ... I happen to be a degreed electrical engineer from the top elect engineering college in the nation, so I feel pretty confident in saying that the $130 voltage regulator is $5 worth of product and $125 of profit. Your stator puts out AC voltage and it needs to get turned into DC. Whether you are powering a $3 toy or a $50,000 computer there is only one device that does that job - a rectifier made from diodes. AC goes from positive to negative. The diodes flip polarity the instant voltage goes negative so that the result at battery is positive. As soon as stator output goes positive again the diodes flip back. You end up with a series of positive voltage spikes. The difference between rectifier and voltage regulator is in the spikes. A voltage regulator smooths out the spikes and limits them to 13.5V maximum. You end up with a nice steady charging voltage. A rectifier just leaves the spikes as they are and lets the battery act as the regulator. If you disconnect the battery then the spikes come back and you can fry your fish finder, radio, etc.

If you want to throw extra money into your boat then get a voltage regulator from an automobile. Then you won't fry your electronics if the battery goes bad or gets disconnected. It's better to actually get something for your money than to line mercury's pockets.
 

joshdashnaw

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Re: I tested rectifier

That is simple enough, but would a regulator from any car work. I have many used engines and cars at my disposal. Just choose one.
 

QuadManiac

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Re: I tested rectifier

As 4runneradam explained it is not only possible but common for a cheap meter to give false readings on diode. regarding which one to use ... I happen to be a degreed electrical engineer from the top elect engineering college in the nation, so I feel pretty confident in saying that the $130 voltage regulator is $5 worth of product and $125 of profit. Your stator puts out AC voltage and it needs to get turned into DC. Whether you are powering a $3 toy or a $50,000 computer there is only one device that does that job - a rectifier made from diodes. AC goes from positive to negative. The diodes flip polarity the instant voltage goes negative so that the result at battery is positive. As soon as stator output goes positive again the diodes flip back. You end up with a series of positive voltage spikes. The difference between rectifier and voltage regulator is in the spikes. A voltage regulator smooths out the spikes and limits them to 13.5V maximum. You end up with a nice steady charging voltage. A rectifier just leaves the spikes as they are and lets the battery act as the regulator. If you disconnect the battery then the spikes come back and you can fry your fish finder, radio, etc.

If you want to throw extra money into your boat then get a voltage regulator from an automobile. Then you won't fry your electronics if the battery goes bad or gets disconnected. It's better to actually get something for your money than to line mercury's pockets.


RRitt, What is the "best electical engineering college in the nation"? Just curious because I too am an EE, and I may want to argue this with ya, lol.

Now, RE: rectifiers, etc. : All of my quads (which i realize aren't the same, but they are simple IC engines using very similar hardware) use bridge rectifiers and a shunt regulator in the same package. Without the shunt regulator, the voltage generated would either never be high enough to charge, except at near max RPM; or if designed to charge at lower RPM, it would way overcharge at high RPM's.

I am not yet familiar with the Force charge circuit, but I intend to be shortly. Do they have a regulator on board or do they just depend on resistance in the stator windings to limit the current (an old fashined way designed before the advent of solid state regulators)?

Several of my quads have 2 phase outputs, so only require a standard 4 diode bridge. One of them, however is 3 phase, and uses a 6 diode bridge. Since MY Force 90 only has 4 posts on it's 'rectifier', I assume the stator is a 2 phase device. Do you know whether the Force has a regulator in the same package, or separately somewhere in the circuit, or none at all? If there is no regulator, then virtually ANY bridge rectifier, of sufficient current handling capacity, will work just fine as a replacement. If there is a regulator, then replacing with an off the shelf bridge and an off the shelf series shunt regulator would do the trick readily too, I believe. What do you think?

At $130, maybe we're in the wrong business. Repackaging $7 worth of parts and reselling to boaters with bad rectifiers/regulators will make us rich, lol.
 

QuadManiac

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Re: I tested rectifier

Addendum: Just did a quick online check, and in many parts houses the component is listed as Rectifier/Regulator, so I'm gonna assume that it is a combined unit. Not so easy to test with an ohm meter or diode tester now without following the manual's troubleshooting instructions, intended for someone with the minimimum of test equipment. Pulled out of the system, i can think of ways to test using equipment that I have available, but not many average boaters would.
 
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