illinois trailer issue~ again

garzilla

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Re: illinois trailer issue~ again

Because when the paperwork gets to Springfield, the VIN will show up in their computers as a trailer owned by a person other than the seller listed on your fake bill of sale and on the title transfer paperwork..


Nevermind lol.....i had a moment.

True, on the trailer I just got, I can't find a number on it anywhere due to surface rust....i guess the bill of sale would need a number of some type on it still..
 

richock

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Re: illinois trailer issue~ again

Similar conumdrum here in NC. It's ridiculous, I have a trailer that came with the boat, I can tell from older marketing materials it came with the boat mfg'd in 1969.
The trailer was made in SC which is a no title/reg for trailers state (yeah if the US gov'd feels they need to intrude into our lives, I'd think standardizing the over interstate hwy system vehicle paperwork would be one of the few places that would make sense) THe boat title was current, and I registered it with the help of the PO coming down to wildlife office (I NC, the wild life folks do the boat registrations, yet another disconnect in logic, moving on) and standing there in front of the clerk and an in office notary swearing he sold the boat to me, that was enough fo rboat title/reg.

SO the problem now is I have this old trailer, couldn't be worth more then $50 rusty. I went to the NC DMV, they said take it to their "theft recovery" inspection place. I towed my ilegal trailer down there (one more case of wtf? : and how exactly can I tow an unregistered trailer to the inspection place w/o breaking the law? answer, you can't the "inspection officer told me as much, he said he wouldn't write me a ticket though, what a sweet hearth right?) anyway, he "discovered" (after I had already exaplined to the 30 precceding DMV employees) there is no VIN number so I needed to goto an insurance co, get an indemnity bond (cheapest one I could get was $125, apply through this ridiculously long, complicated and disjucted set of forms($42), wait for what they call and NCX number (new or homemade trailer VIN number in NC, it actually took them 2.5 months to get this number back to me) then get the numbers stamped on the trailer (another $25) then take it back to the inspection place. Once they give it their blessing, guess what?
Yup, I get to take it back down the DMV, and apply for the title from step one. including the customary fees. etc.


I feel you bro, I think I'm going with the find a trailer with a valid paper trail and stamp those numbers onto my trailer route, or if I could upgrade my current trailer with a nicer onethat can be registered do that.
what has this contry come to when It will cost 3 time the value of any thing to make it legal? who would steal a $50 rusty boat trailer then Put it under the exact kinda boat the trailer is specifically designed for (I even showed the inspector the pictures from 1969 with the boat on that trailer, he already knows SC doesn't require registration on trailers, and knows the mfg of the trailer is OOB)

It's enough to take all the fun out of it isn't it?
 

richock

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Re: illinois trailer issue~ again

I forgot to wish you luck with you circumstance. Good Luck!
:)
 

cturboaddict

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Yeah, thanks on the GL~

Im just kind of waiting on options right now. Everyone knows money is tight, and i can always wait until i get some more money together and buy another trailer. It needs one anyhow, but what i can do-IF I FIND ONE, is just title that one, and slap the plates on this one. That should take care of the most part. But i was hoping that the DMV (the boat goes through DNR here in illinois), would make it easy on me.
Guess not...

Ive got a couple other possible situations that might arise, but im waiting to hear back from some people.

Hell, I still have my fingers crossed that everything works out with the boat title right now. I sent all my paperwork in, along with all my fees. I just have to wait until the title and reg stickers come back.... I dont know how long that takes, but i know my "temporary" title only lasts for about 6 months. Ive heard it can take a while tho.
 

jayhanig

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Re: STUPID illinois trailer issue~ again

If I was you, I'd find a legal trailer on craigslist and put it under the boat then take the one you have and scrap it.


I think if you follow this advice you ought to scrap it in the parking lot of the DMV. They made it difficult for you through no fault of your own? Repay the favor.

I am getting sick and tired of folks selling stuff that they don't legally paper. You come along all caught up in the excitement of the sale and the bricks all fall on you, though you did nothing wrong.
 

reelfishin

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Re: STUPID illinois trailer issue~ again

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I am getting sick and tired of folks selling stuff that they don't legally paper. You come along all caught up in the excitement of the sale and the bricks all fall on you, though you did nothing wrong.

The problem isn't that folks sell things they don't own or don't have papers on, in some states, most it seems, don't title either the boat or the trailer. They never had any paper on it. I bought a boat from PA last spring, the owner had no title, they don't title boats there, or at least they didn't when the thing was last used. It had sat for 24 years in a barn, the original owner died, the property was sold with the boat to a relative. To top that the boat turned up to have a HIN number mistyped on the last registration. I live in NJ, they title boats here, not trailers, and since the registration was 24 years out of date, they wouldn't accept that here. In PA, they wanted the owner to pay up on all the missed years of registration in order to get a current title or current Registration which NJ required. Keep in mind that I also bought the boat for less than $100. I offered to pay the registration but it would have required her to travel pretty far to get all the crap done.
In the end, I finally gave up, scraped off all the numbers on the boat, got a bill of sale from her stating it was her's, it was never registered, and that she had sold it to me. $25 plus the title fee of $60 and I had a title.

I sold the trailer back to a PA resident, PA in turn refused to accept the out of date registration and older title without a bill of sale. The seller was no longer to be found, and I'm not sure if I'd bother her anyhow after all the BS she had to go through for the boat.
I ended up having to sell the boat to a NJ buyer since we don't have titles here.

These states need to all get on the same page, we're talking about $200 boat trailers and quite often the boats aren't worth much more, yet they act like were buying and selling a house or high dollar car.

As to a rusty old trailer not being stolen, I can't agree, I had one disappear last week, it was so rusty the last owner stuffed wood inside the tongue to keep it from snapping in two, and it looked to me like someone pulled out the valve stems and stuffed the tires with old rags and paper and taped up the holes. It was sitting at the end of the driveway, awaiting a date with a blue tip wrench, but someone decided they needed it before I got to it. They did me a favor as it saved me cutting it up to scrap it, but I'm sure if there was a newer one handy that wasn't locked up, that too would have gone away. My only hope is that they load up their boat and take a nice long drive with that wood reinforced tongue and half flat tires.
 

jayhanig

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Personally, I'm not offended at the thoughts of titling vehicles of whatever type. It provides some protection from somebody stealing your property and using it under the nose of the law without fear of discovery.

OTOH, these states use it as both a bludgeon and a money making enterprise to screw you as much as they possibly can.

I would like to see them apply a little common sense to these problems as this thread has documented. It seems to me that in the case of a missing or nonexistent title, that simply running the VIN or HIN through a database ought to settle whether it's stolen or not. If it's not, present a bill of sale and then issue the replacement title; let the new owner off the hook. It's not his fault that things weren't done properly in the past.

These state agencies need to be reminded that they exist to serve the public. If they don't serve it adequately, maybe it's time to do away with them. Faced with a potential loss of their jobs, I'd bet the level of service would take quite a jump.
 

cturboaddict

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Ahh, it happens. Crappy thing is that most people assume that a homemade trailer title in illinois is easy to obtain....
May have been a few years ago, but no more! :D
 
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