I'm beginning to doubt the line that Muslem is a peaceful religion...

[Mark42]

The headlines over the last two days about Muslems attacking embassies and killing dozens of Christians over comic strips are beginning to make me think these people are a religion of hate filled fanatics.<br /><br />I have yet to see Muslem leaders in the USA stand up and condem the actions of Muslems around the world.<br /><br />The actions of the Muslems makes the cartoons they are protesting look like they were right on the money.<br /><br />I am beginning to realize that these people are for the most part, categorically insane.

 

[don flowers]

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I have felt this way for awhile. This may sound untrusting but the ones saying nothing I feel are happy with whats going on. They just say nothing,or try to continue to keep the christians quiet by saying, "don't worry, it's only a few radicals" while they continue to make steady progress condeming and destroying christianity, or anything not muslems.

 

[rodbolt]

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mark42<br /> the religion is only as good as the religous leaders. <br /> seems the radical ones get all the press coverage but there are many many clips and newsprint stories of other leaders condeming the actions of the few radicals.<br /> howwever you have a very large population of yound disenfranchised poor muslims that are only to ready to protest anything.<br /> I am no expert but I have read some of the islamic teachings and have not found anything particularly violent, no more than you will find in the bible, however if a leader cherry picks the book he can make anything look like it came directly from mohammud.<br />but ever notice you really dont see any wealthy suicide bombers profiled ?<br />does not matter if its politics or religon,seems the extremes at the ends get all the limelight.

 

[Elmer Fudge]

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Mark, i happen to have a muslim for a neighbor he is very distant to those which you've discribed, the muslims rioting and destroying lives and property are doing so at the behest of their totalitarian governments, their rulers have a strangle hold on what goes on in their respective countries, many are simply caught up in the fervor, their actions are nevertheless horrendous to their society.<br />Since when have you known the media to show the positive side of muslims, or be it christians for that matter?

 

[rodbolt]

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elmer<br /> I have some friends both here and in venezuela that are devout muslims and they are appaled by the "fringe" radicals.<br /> seems like an entire religon is being blamed for a few.<br /> same as the riots after the Rodney king thing, it would be insane to think ALL blacks were riot crazed whack jobs based on the media coverage.<br /> most blacks I know are like me, I dont have time to riot.<br />got bills to pay,customers to deal with and a family at the house.<br />however if I had no job,no education, no hope for any future past lunch time I may be incited to join the fun.<br />thats most of the underlying problem.

 

[62_Kiwi]

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All the muslims I know in person are peaceful people who wouldn't hurt anybody. Most of the muslims I read about in the news media are extremist whackos.<br /><br />In my opinion the news media in general can not be relied on to give a balanced view on anything. Their priority is to attract readers/viewers and thereby make money.<br /><br />The moderate muslims do need to make more of a stand as they quite clearly have a major P.R. problem - but I suspect that is not easy because moderation does not sell newspapers.

 

[woodrat]

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Yes, why don't we paint the entire Christian religion with the brush of those who murder abortion docors in their kitchens and bomb family planning clinics. Or maybe we'll assume they all are like pat robertson who advocated assasinating Hugo Chavez. Or like the whackos who said the people of New Orleans deserved to die in the floodwaters because God hated thier sin? Or that the 9/11 attacks happened because of gay people?

 

[Mark42]

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The difference between Christians bombing abortion clinics and the like is that it is only a hand full of people. We have thousands of Muslems protesting at the drop of a hat.<br /><br />This is in Indonesia, attacking the US embassy.<br /><br /> EDIT - IMAGE REMOVED BECAUSE LINK IS IS NO LONGER THE ORIGIONAL PHOTO AND DOES NOT APPLY.<br /><br />The caption for the picture reads:<br />"Hundreds of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad tried to storm the U.S. Embassy on Sunday, smashing the windows of a guard post but failing to push through the gates. Several people were injured.Pakistani security forces, meanwhile, sealed off the capital of Islamabad to block a planned mass demonstration and fired tear gas and gunshots to chase off protesters. In Turkey, tens of thousands gathered in Istanbul chanting slogans against Denmark, Israel and the United States. "<br /><br /><br />This is not a radical few.

 

[rodbolt]

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mark42<br /> ya ever think it funny that the protesters just happened to have various flags handy to burn? ya ever think man this was a planned rally for the press.<br />so far the funniest I have seen was a video clip where they had a propane torch, all good protesters carry one daily, trying to light a danish flag. seems the flag was made of flame retardent nylon and would melt but never burned.<br />that was truly funny, next time read the tag .<br /> looking at the amount of flags in your pic I draw 2 conclusions, 1 is it was a staged event for media coverage and 2 I need to buy stock in flag making companies.

 

[62_Kiwi]

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Rodbolt - you're on to something there...<br /><br />I reckon all flags should be made either flame resistant - to make the flag burners look stupid...<br /><br />or even better - make them highly flammable, so they go up in a fireball and hopefully take a few whackos with them

 

[Skinnywater]

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An interview was done in Lebannon where it was expessed that they were sick of war and truely wanted to learn from lessons past.<br />It showed that a lot of those that were protesting had agreed and lived up to the agreement to peacefully protest.<br />As the protest turned violent, law enforcement moved in with several clerics to stop the violence.<br />It was discovered that the violence was started by a very small portion of the demonstrators. And as was discovered, were from Syria sent there with the with the specific mission to agitate and create violence.<br /> And as it turns out on film of the protest, they the agitators, were in fact the only ones that commited any violence.<br />That same film shown around the world shows where a Christian church is up in flames and police clashing with protesters misleads because it doesn't depict the masses of protesters in the background being totally disgusted with the violence.<br /> As is possible in your picture Mark.

 

[rodbolt]

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62_KIWI<br /> I like the idea of an accelerant impregnated flag cloth. man would that be funny, one spark and WHOOSH. end of demonstration <br />kinda like a WHIZ bang fuse on a firecraker your trying to light with a magifiying glass, by the time you realize its lit its popped your fingers.<br /> not that I would actually have any burned finger knowledge about that.

 

[heycods]

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Ive been thinking that a large portion of them were hostile as he!! since Sept 11 2001.

 

[18rabbit]

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Originally posted by Mark42:<br /> I am beginning to realize that these people are for the most part, categorically insane.

“It's time to stop making up stories about looking for dialogue with these people. They only want to humiliate people. It is hypocritical to distinguish between terrorist Islam and pacifist Islam.”<br /><br />As stated on Feb 14th by Reforms Minister Roberto Calderoli (Italy). Calderoli went onto TV wearing a t-shirt with one of those cartoons on it, which of course pissing off some fine folks in Libya, who proceeded to burn down something… Calderoli was asked to resign from his gov’t post in Italy, he did. But I think he pretty much nailed it with what he said.

 

[Link]

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Self edit.<br />Forgot I was going to stay away from threads like this in 2006!

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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They say pictures speak a thousand words. <br /><br />Does that picture of Saddam with the WTC's burning in the background send a message? And then some say Iraq didn't have nothing to do with it. Only someone that is proud of their accomplishments would have a picture painted depicting the event.<br /><br />BTW, what does a female suicide bomber do with all those virgins? That in itself would make an excellent cartoon.<br /><br />IMHO most Muslems are more scared to stand up to the extremist wackos of their beliefs.

 

[KaGee]

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Originally posted by woodrat:<br /> Yes, why don't we paint the entire Christian religion with the brush of those who murder abortion docors in their kitchens and bomb family planning clinics. Or maybe we'll assume they all are like pat robertson who advocated assasinating Hugo Chavez. Or like the whackos who said the people of New Orleans deserved to die in the floodwaters because God hated thier sin? Or that the 9/11 attacks happened because of gay people?

Uh, hummmm...<br /><br />They Do!

 

[jtexas]

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Not a bad question, Mark42.<br /><br />[edited comments about deleted posts]

 

[rodbolt]

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Jtexas, I have made no racist statements, I was just going with the logic.<br /> kinda like SSMayfloats picture logic,<br /> the paper has one showing Rumsfeld kissing Saddam on the cheek.<br /> so yes I guess a picture does speak 1000 words.<br /> no my areguements have been against comdeming an entire race or religon for the extremist actions of a few.

 

[KaGee]

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One of the frustrations in this ordeal is there is no one person, say , like the Pope, who speaks for Islam. You have hundreds of self-proclaimed leaders all with their own personal agendas. There is no one to stand up a make a proclamation one way or another so you know where Islam really stands.<br /><br />The irony of it all... violent, deadly demonstrations over cartoons lampooning Islam as a "peaceful" religion. Guess none of them ever studied Ghandi or Martin Luther King.<br /><br />Here's what has me concerned. Muslims number the millions and increase their numbers daily. You say that the "extremists" are a small minority. Yet the silence of the majority is deafening. There has been plenty of opportunity for the majority to be heard and seen, yet we hear and see nothing but peeps here and there. In my mind, there lies your answer Mark.