Installing a different OS on a laptop?

WizeOne

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Missy WO has a late model laptop with Vista. She asked me about switching to Windows 7. Without any specific knowledge, I would be hesitant to do that. It's my understanding that laptops come with a lot of device specific stuff that you would lose if you switch to another OS system, or even just reload a retail version of the OS that was on it originally.

What say all you experts?
 

justchange

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

She should ask her 'puter professional. However, since they're so close, I'd think the Vista programs should work.
 

lowkee

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

Name brand laptops normally come with tons of crap which is sometimes considered useful to a few people. If she likes those 'extras' and her laptop runs fine, I'd stick with Vista. If you don't mind reloading everything, Win 7 will run on any laptop capable of running Vista, since the Vista drivers work with Win 7. You will need to download the drivers from the support site as most laptops don't come with a driver cd anymore.

You *may* be able to do an upgrade, but MS has never had a good record for providing stable upgrades. You are infinitely better off doing a complete wipe and fresh install. If you are new to fresh installs, you may be best off having Win 7 installed for you, as the PC techs can help you backup any personal data.
 

BoatBuoy

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

M$ doesn't adjust their products for a particular vendor's platform. The vendors do that by adding their specific software and drivers. What M$ may do is adjust their licensing agreements and installation techniques. As far as I know, all M$ products are "generic".
 

dr_bowtie

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

you can do an inplace upgrade or fresh install and either will be fine...

the Vista drivers will work fine with Win7...

Win7 is a stripped down version of Vista that actually works the way Vista was intended to...you will not have any issues at all...

Inplace upgrade is popping teh DVD in and hitting upgrade...Although I would opt to wipe the drive with a zero-filler and start fresh of coarse after you back up all the data you wish to keep...

Select the OS version of your choosing as they come in 32-bit or 64-bit and get the drivers from the manufactures site for the stuff you need...

if you install 64-bit then get the 64-bit drivers...although you wont need many as Win7s drivers are more plentiful and more refined...so most everything should work...what doesnt then nab that from either Windows update or the manufactures site...I have had no issues doing this
 

dr_bowtie

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

alot of things...basically the way drivers are integrated and the way the UAC works...

in Vista you're not allowed to install drivers that Windows Update doesnt agree with...even if the driver is newer than the WU driver and this causes alot of issue and even the UAC was/is so tight installing a driver can be a PITA to get working...

they also revamped the Networking portion to fix the large number of issues with IPV4 and IPV6...there are a ton of things that were fixed...Vista should have been what Windows 7 is and if they would have waited it would have been...

We, the beta testers, told MS that there were these issues but they were more concerned to get Vista to the shelves than to listen to us...in the end they came back to us when Vista flopped and asked us the same questions again and this time they also listened to customer feedback...even though SP2 still doesnt fix alot of issues it helps....

I have copies of Vista 32/64 ultimate but I refuse to use them still....I have been on Win7 since January of this year and it has been absolutely great...I am going to be installing the pro version here shortly to try that out as it is the retail release...
 

WizeOne

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

Hmmmm? Pro version retail. Big Bucks!
 

skargo

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

First thing I do when I buy a laptop is get rid of all that proprietary crap, I hate it!
 

soggy_feet

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

Linux FTW!

Gotta start your learning curve for 'puters all over again, but it beats paying a crapload of money on programs and OS's and the like.

I have the equivalent of photoshop and AutoCAD, and it didn't cost me a dime. Working on installing a fluid dynamics modeler so I can screw around with making my 40 year old steel hulled houseboat a little more fuel efficient. Also free (although a bit technical)
 

dr_bowtie

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

Hmmmm? Pro version retail. Big Bucks!


nope...if you would have gotten in on Pre-sale it was 99.00 for Pro and 49.99 for Basic...

Check Newegg.com...
 

4JawChuck

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

I have been using Vista since it came out, I built my own computer and needed the 4 gb memory capability and 64bit dual processor capacity no other OS at the time had.

I have had zero issues with Vista...let me say that again...zero issues...it is better than every other OS microsoft has produced to date. I have used every MS OS since DOS 3.1 and this one is better than the last in every way.

That being said there are some security features that annoy people and it is quoted to no end on the internetz. I have had only one glitch with Vista and it is related to the MB I am using which has a SATA hotswappable port that I have connected a LG Lightscribe DVD burner to, this port is designed for hard drives not optical drives and the driver supplied by LG does not comply with the MS standard for hotswappable SATA devices on this port. I have a hack running that bypasses the driver enforcement at bootup, it is a minor issue and not a MS problem rather an LG driver incompatibility. It still works with the OS no problem but the driver is not compliant.

In a lot of ways you have to hand it to MS for finally saying no to all the mfg's out there that were writing crappy drivers for their OS for years, if I had a dollar for every rotten driver I have had to install and uninstall in safe mode because it crashed the OS I would be a rich man. Apple does the exact same thing, they just did it from the beginning and have a limited product range prebuilt for consumer consuption.

I had one poor driver crash my Vista computer once, it blue screened, rebooted automatically, reloaded a saved restore point without my intervention and then sent a report when it came back up. PERFECT, thats how it should work! You can blame all those third party mfg's for not making good drivers in the first place and not doing the compatibility testing, I still have some hardware that is not Vista compatible and can't use it with this computer, this isn't MS's fault its the Logitech's and all the other makers that refuse to pony up and make the changes to their drivers.

I would have no problem upgrading to Windows 7 if you already have Vista, but I have to question why? These are nearly the same OS rebranded to offset all those naysayers who complained like little girls everytime a popup window came up asking for permission to perform a possibly dangerous task.

You will not gain anything from the upgrade except maybe more eye candy and enhancements to the user GUI. I won't deny the popups can be annoying if you had to administrate the OS all the time but lets be realistic,,,thats not how 99% of the people out there use their computers.

I would forget the upgrade as there is nothing to be gained and you would be wasting money for no performance increase.
 

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

I was told that it is about a half hour upgrade, yes back up your important stuff, it is loaded with a lot more drivers for better interfacing with peripherals and 3rd party programs, will boot faster and will only use about 1 gig of memory to run. I think I will wait a few months to make sure it is what they promise before I drop the hammer. I too havn't had any issues with Vista but I'm not a heavy user. So that is what I was told and I'm just passing along.
I was also told that with the upgrade most XP software/programs, games, could again be run on Windows 7, which was an issue with Vista.
 

BoatBuoy

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

I have had zero issues with Vista...let me say that again...zero issues....

My experience parallels yours. I haven't had any problems with Vista. I might complain about their decision to remove support for some older peripherals. It's like they expect everybody to buy a new printer everytime they upgrade OS's.

In a lot of ways you have to hand it to MS for finally saying no to all the mfg's out there that were writing crappy drivers for their OS for years, .

Amen to that. Finally. In NT 3.51 and earlier, drivers could only run in application mode. That greatly protected the OS from crappy driver behavior and 3.51 was probably the most stable OS M$ has ever made. But vendors whinned that they needed direct access to hardware, so M$ relented in 4.0 and allowed some device drivers to run in ring 0, kernel mode. That allowance broadened and the OS stability has been declining ever since.

I would forget the upgrade as there is nothing to be gained and you would be wasting money for no performance increase.

From what I've read, there are supposed to be performance enhancements.
 

lowkee

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

You will not gain anything from the upgrade except maybe more eye candy and enhancements to the user GUI. ...<snip> if you had to administrate the OS all the time but lets be realistic,,,thats not how 99% of the people out there use their computers.
...<snip> you would be wasting money for no performance increase.

Frankly, there is such a monumental difference between every MS OS upgrade prior to Win 7 and Win7 everyone should be upgrading.

The majority of your complaints about Win7 are exactly what make it far and above any prior version. One at a time:

- Drivers, the driver system is nearly identical and fully backward compatible with Vista. This is the 1st time EVER Windows has supported backward compatibility in this respect. The exact thing being complained about is what makes this a simple upgrade without all of the nightmares of old hardware caused by previous upgrades, most notably Vista.

- "..maybe more eye candy and enhancements to the user GUI" More 'eye candy and enhancements' are what allow that 99% of users you identify to actually use a computer with any ease. People don't automatically know how to use a computer, and Windows has had a horrid track record of making life easier to newbies. Win 7 was meant to change that, and does. There are redundant shortcuts for nearly every task, just to try to predict where a user is most likely to look for a certain setting or document or collection of files.

- Backups: Speaking of normals users (and IT pros alike). Win7 has taken great strides to ensure people never again lose files by nearly any means. Virus hit your PC and overwrites 100 files? No problem, Win7 now saves file histories, so you can revert to any previous file. This works really well if you overwrite a document you've spent weeks on. Recycle bin was great for deleted files, but didn't cover you for that "oh crap!" mistaken save. Oh yeah, and actual useful backup and restores are now built-in.

- "...money for no performance increase" That same 99% of pc users don't care how blazingly fast Doom III plays or if their boot speed is 9% faster than previous versions. The performance comes into play when you click on an icon and the caching learns you run that program all the time and precaches it for next launch. By doing this the system cache is reduced, because Windows no longer has to cram as much crap into cache as possible, but can intelligently cache what is most likely to be used, saving RAM for actual running of programs.

- Ease of install, not just use. To do a clean install of Windows 7, you insert the DVD and boot from it. It asks you what drive to install it to and it leaves you alone from there. When you return you have Windows 7. No hassles, no PhD in computer technology needed.

- Corporate support: If you have done an kind of corporate IT work, you know how few companies keep up with the times. Some national banks still run Windows 98 simply because the software vendor went under years ago or they customized their internal software so heavily, they can't afford the time to make a full rewrite for a new OS. Win 7 natively supports all of these old-school clients and provides a means to perfectly emulate whatever OS they require. Need Win7 to pretend it runs WinXP, no problem, set the compatibility setting to XP. Need actual XP, because the software is reliant on XP-specific calls? No problem, just run XP in a virtual machine (which displays as a normal window, without alerting the user to the emulation)

- Want touch support on your notebook? Win7 is leaps and bounds in this department.

From my experience, anyone calling Win7 'Vista 2.0' hasn't used it, let alone researched it.

I didn't just fall off the Windows tree, either, I'm an MS beta tester, currently testing Office 2010.. you know, Office 2007 with maybe some eye-candy :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

Except for the caching of commonly used programs, whats new with Vista 7 again? All those "features" mentioned already exist in Vista.

More shortcuts? OS emulation? Scheduled Backups? Hands off install? Touch Support?...these are already in Vista?

I find it hard to believe that anyone would spend a $100 to upgrade to W7 to get a .002 second increase in Explorer load speed from Vista. I don't see anything listed there that would make me part with my money.

Going to work on my boat now, Mercury Marine called and is sending me a new trim switch to BETA test...have to install it and see if the motor goes up and down...a thousand times. Apparently its going to be part of their new QuickSmartSilverCraft line of helm instrumentation products and is completely waterproof to 1 foot, I hear the rubber cover is now 10 microns thicker and has laser etched markings which will replace the old US made silver lined contact switches for chinese aluminum contact components which makes it a substancial improvement on the old switch.

Have to make sure it makes it through the warranty period life cycle test.:D
 

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

As a fellow web developer and PC nerd, I really appreciate the info lowkee. I'm hoping to purchase a new laptop with Win 7 on it to replace my aging desktop soon.
 

skargo

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

Add me to the list with ZERO problems with Vista.
 

dr_bowtie

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Re: Installing a different OS on a laptop?

Win7 is a better choice of an OS...especially coming from Vista...

It has alot of the Bloat taken out and for laptop use you will see run time improvement and longer battery life...

Superfetch has been re-tooled and well...Win7 is alot snappier than Vista..

Most of the people who have 0 issue with Vista are on Prebuilts and those usually dont run too bad other than being slow and low battery life...

I just ran into a an HP vista 64 bit laptop and I gotten in for service...had the original build of Vista on it and when i loaded SP2 onto it...well it borked the drivers for the sound and onboard NIC...1 hour later I got all the drivers updated and all was fine...

It's a hit and miss with Vista...

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EDIT II: here is even better...promo codes for discounted Win7 from my email...

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