Installing tell-tales really necessary?

restornator

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Is there any real worthwhile advantage to installing a tell-tale on an older model johnson or evinrude?

Then if one is installed, is there any reason or possibility to plug the existing relief valve on the exhaust housing? Actually the later thru-hub exhaust models still had this relief valve, just no water
 

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

Is there any real worthwhile advantage to installing a tell-tale on an older model johnson or evinrude?

Then if one is installed, is there any reason or possibility to plug the existing relief valve on the exhaust housing? Actually the later thru-hub exhaust models still had this relief valve, just no water

1. Not in my humble opinion. Seems like these days, everybody figures they have to watch it pee. What are you going to do, go all day with your head screwed around backward to see if it is squirting? Haven't you got better things to look at on the water? Even if it does quit working it will overheat and sieze within seconds. Your best defense is a known to be good, recently new water pump, then relax. If you want a better overheat indicator, install an overheat horn---if your motor has a sensor. They work sometimes.

2. Absolutely Not!! It is exactly what the term says, an exhaust relief port. It relieves the back pressure on the exhaust at slow speeds and during starting. Plug it up and it will be hard to start and won't idle worth beans.
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

Tell tale is not vital in my humble opinion.
Knowing that your water pump is serviced correctly and regularly is priceless.
 

billy4hp

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

Is there any real worthwhile advantage to installing a tell-tale on an older model johnson or evinrude?

Then if one is installed, is there any reason or possibility to plug the existing relief valve on the exhaust housing? Actually the later thru-hub exhaust models still had this relief valve, just no water


Depends on the model, if your talking a 3 cyl Evinrude or Johnson the tell-tale is two fold...

1. Provides you a tell-tale (questionable if necessary)

2. Prevents an air pocket from developing in the top of the engine which can cause damage as air does nothing for cooling

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=222677

JMHO...
 

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

My special 88 had the tell- tale coming from the bottom area of the block and I moved it to the top and motor cools better. Top of the block on that side used to get real hot. May have had the air bubble up there.
 

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

I have a Johnson 1972 50 hp. and the first thing i do when I start it is to see if the waters coming out before I leave the dock. I added a tell tale as according to a post because I couldn't see the back of the motor. I know it takes seconds to fry a motor but I've had spiders make webs in them and plug them up.
 

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

I have 2 temp senders installed on my engine, Here is the link they are on sale for 5 bucks.
The reason I like this is you as a captain needs to check your vitals from time to time (Gauges)
My temp gauge alerted me to the fact the port side of my engine was rapidly increasing temperature as I troll to the loading dock after a launch at the ramp. I quickly shifted to neutral increase the throttle to 2500 RPM after a few rocking back and forth I observe the temp started to drop back to 130 and we went Boating as planned. Who knows ? maybe the pump did suck up sand or something or I am thinking a stuck thermostat diaphragm was the culprit.
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emdsapmgr

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

Personally, I like a telltale. However, I ran many, many old engines without the telltale- and they all ran fine. To a certain extent, the telltale can also be misleading. You can have a strong telltale and still overheat the engine if the thermostat sticks shut at idle. Just make sure the overheat sensor(s) work (activate the horn properly) and you will be fine.
 

reeldutch

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

better than a tell tale is a water pressure gauge installed on the dash.

you can clearly see if you have water pressure without turning back to look at the pisser.
 

mars bar

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

I'd like to know more on the temp sensors and water pressure gauge. Where do you mount them? How, Is there a link.
 

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The factory temp sensors are actually switches mounted in the head. You could have one or two switches depending on age and engine. When the engine head temp gets to aroung 212 degrees, the switch goes to ground and sets off the warning horn in the control box. When the powerhead temp gets back down to 175, the horn silences. (The later engines should normally run around 145-155 degrees at idle.) Water pressure gauges run off a hose tapped into the water jacket of the powerhead. A 0-30 lb water pressure gauge will read the internal water pump pressure at the powerhead from idle through full throttle. The overheat switches only indicate a problem after there is an overheat, whereas the pressure gauge keeps you informed regarding water flow all the time the engine is running.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

I don't think I would bother with an old, pin drive motor. Those engnes have "mid-leg" exhaust and you can see whether you are pumping water upon startup. Further, the small ones that tend to be tiller steered lend themselves to frequent checking, just because you can look back to the exhaust point easily.

I installed a telltale in my '72 Johnson 65hp and don't regret it. I look back at my motor frequently and don't feel like doing so is all that big a deal. On one occassion that I can think of, I noticed the water "sputtering" and, sure enough, I had some duckweed around the upper/mid part of the gearcase.

Another thing that I use mine for, is to check water circulation while backing away from the bank of a bayou. I shoot a lot of photographs out of my boat and that means nosing ino a bank or drifting just off of one quite a bit. Our bayous get very shallow along the banks, with a soft mud bottom in most places. Sometimes the skeg and a bit of the prop will dig in and when its time to move, I don't like to power out in forward. What I do, instead, is to move away in reverse and use throttle to get the motor to "kick up" (I don't have T&T) out of the mud. I can control the angle of the motor with throttle and the tell tale lets me know that I am still deep enough for good water flow, because I can see it coming out of the engine.

Whether or not to install a telltale is a personal choice and certainly doesn't hurt, if you do it properly. I agree with those here who have said to mount it high in your cooling system. I did that and every time I start it up, it blows air out of the upper water passages.

All of this said, I also agree with those that suggest that a telltale is not the only thing that you should rely on. Others have mentioned some of the choices and I would add that simply listening to your motor can tell you quite a bit. Get used to what your motor sounds like under various conditions and more importantly, listen for changes in sound at times that you haven't done anything to cause that. If you do hear such a change, its time to start finding out why, and weeds around the gearcase is often the culprit.

Another sound/sight issue relates to water depth. One thing that I have found by having to deal so much with shallow bayous, is that a planing hull will squeeze water as it moves through a shallow area. This is kind of hard to explain, but it has to do with the fact, that as the bottom rises and the distance between it and the bottom of the boat becomes very small, the water will compress and come off of the transom differently. There is a resulting difference in the sound of the boat moving through the water and if you happen to look back, the boat will appear to be riding higher in the water. I think this phenominon is less noticeable at higher speeds, but I don't tend to run very fast and have been able to predict when I might bottom out before I actually do, by paying attention to this.



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14ftgrumman

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

If Ole Evinrude wanted one there, he would have put one there.
 

reeldutch

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

if ole Evinrude wanted a E-tec he would have made one.
 

nymack66

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Re: Installing tell-tales really necessary?

Yep this is true, also some of us still heats up leftovers on a wooden stove!
 
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